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Familiarity is very important
Authored by: stegu on Wednesday, November 14 2012 @ 07:33 AM EST
The Ribbon is what made me jump ship to OpenOffice,
and subsequently to LibreOffice. I never looked back.
While MS Office with the Ribbon may possibly be useful
to people who learn it and use it regularly, no other
piece of software I use behave like that, and I am
not planning on ever spending my days in MS Office.

The Ribbon UI threw out the baby with the bathwater,
and so does Windows 8. In fact, Windows 8 throws
out everyone else's babies as well, so to speak,
and that might not be a wise decision.

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The Ribbon took some getting used to but it would now be a miss.
Authored by: complex_number on Wednesday, November 14 2012 @ 07:40 AM EST
The Ribbon is possibly the worst idea evert to emerge from Microsoft.
Whilst I admit that it does have it's lovers for me, it is total frustration.

Why do items move around the ribbon?
Why is the Find 'stuff' so far away from the rest of the more commonly used
thingies?

And before anyone starts going on about keyboard shortcuts, remember that for
10% of the population they are more of a hindurance than a benefit. Why? Who?
I'm talking about those of us who are left handed and use the mouse with that
hand.

Having spent some time working in a U/I lab in the mid 1980's I have to say that
the Ribbon is about the worst UI I have ever encountered. That is in 40 years of
writing software. Even a CICS screen is preferable to that monstrosity.
Don't even get me started on Metro.

This is a case of not following the 'If it ain't broke don't fix it' adage.


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Ubuntu & 'apt-get' are not the answer to Life, The Universe & Everything which
is of course, "42" or is it 1.618?

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One size does not fit all
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, November 14 2012 @ 02:01 PM EST
Software should be intuitive. The Ribbon is not.

Software should not necessarily be intuitive. I love vim, for example, and moved from using the big word processors to Lyx to LaTeX in vim for my own documents. It would have been a pain to learn if it hadn't been so rewarding, vim's power is amazing, and LaTeX, old as it is, has beautiful typesetting and I can easily produce PDFs for others. Those certainly are not the right tools for everyone, but intuitive software isn't either. Since I started to use an OS that offers a lot of choice in UI styles (Linux), I gradually found out that I prefer modal applications and typing commands over using a mouse.

I remember reading the reason (or one of the reasons) why Microsoft developed the ribbon: users would ask for features that had been implemented in Office forever, the problem was these users couldn't find them. The menus as we're used to in desktop applications were meant to make the available functions easily discoverable. Just explore the menus and you know what's there. But many people don't do that, they don't explore at all.

I have seen that in other situations. I know the city I live in pretty well. I like to walk and bike around in my spare time and when I notice a street I've never been in for me that is a reason to go there immediately. The result is that I often notice I know neighbourhoods miles from where I live better than some people who've lived in those neighbourhoods forever. I explore, they don't.

Microsoft created the ribbon for people who don't explore. Putting it bluntly, they shove all available functions in the user's face in the hope they will finally notice they're there. The problem with that approach is that Microsoft reacts as if all users are like that. They aren't. One size does not fit all people. Ideally applications would offer several UI styles. Of course that is far too expensive for most software developers to implement, and using the familiar desktop style with menus is a reasonable compromise. But Microsoft is huge, they should be able to offer users a choice between a few UI styles aimed at different kinds of users for their most important applications.

For some reason (that I don't understand at all) Microsoft, as well as many others who build software, and so-called usability experts, keep insisting that nearly everybody has the same requirements. Nonsense. User friendly is not the same as beginner friendly, and people are as diverse as software users as they are in other respects. You can't possibly make everybody happy, but at least acknowledge that not everybody is the same. A giant like Microsoft should be able to at least maintain the old style menu based UI for their products as an alternative for the ribbon, and perhaps introduce a third style for keyboard-centric users. Instead they assume that one size fits all.

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