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With HTC Patent Deal, Apple Is Going For Android’s Jugular
Authored by: webster on Sunday, November 11 2012 @ 06:58 PM EST
.

It is at least FUD. If it were much more, it would not be
confidential.

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  • Agreed - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 11 2012 @ 09:13 PM EST
I'm not buying it.
Authored by: UncleVom on Sunday, November 11 2012 @ 07:31 PM EST
Although spouting this stuff is a good way to grab page views.

"Because of the sheer number of patents Apple holds (many thousands), as
well as the company’s perceived strength after a string of big wins, such as the
billion-dollar jury verdict against Samsung and a recent win at the U.S.
International Trade Commission, Apple was clearly in the dominant negotiation
position. HTC, on the other hand, had comparatively little to bring to the
table, with fewer than 300 U.S. patents and slipping market share. That almost
certainly means this deal was not a pure license-for-license deal. Instead, HTC
must have agreed to pay Apple a royalty on every Android device it sells."

I'm not buying this, bent fanboi perspective.

IMHO it looks like Apple may be taking a look at where the chips are actually
landing worldwide, what the return on the $ is for lawyer spend and the taste
the whole disturbance is leaving in the public's mouth.

IMO Apple bit off more than it could chew with HTC, I'm not seeing any Apple net
win there and HTC was a small player, just the opening salvo in what will be
looked upon historically as Apple's comedy of errors in going
"Thermonuclear".

If one looks at the market share, loss of stock value, and the number of drawn
out battles lined up to go.
All of a sudden the way the apple is peeling is not too appealing.

Any CEO who plans on staying around long term and I think Cook is one of those,
has little choice, but to start to clear this mess up.

Sure they'd like to take out Android, but given the size of the armies involved
and the potential duration of the campaigns, this dream has to be over for the
good of all combatants.

If I'm wrong it means Tim Cook has less good sense than I give him credit for
and Ansel Halliburton's foresight is amazing.




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More likely, HTC told Apple they could make the screens
Authored by: jesse on Sunday, November 11 2012 @ 08:23 PM EST
More likely, HTC told Apple they could make the screens that Sharp cannot, but
the price would be higher due to legal expenses...

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Probably just cost/benefit
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 11 2012 @ 09:29 PM EST
HTC isn't exactly a large player anymore with how strong the competition is and
the mess that was the One X etc (no, I don't want a phone that hits >50C
under load). Apple's legal costs must also be extraordinary at this point given
the massive worldwide litigation spree. Apple probably figured it just wasn't
worth the cost and anyway HTC never really even looked like they cloned Apple at
all, at least not like the first Galaxy S.

That and unless their WP8 handset is a huge success (not taking any bets
there...) they're looking dead in the water anyway.

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This may explain HTC's losses.
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, November 11 2012 @ 09:59 PM EST
I suspect HTC's loss of market position, and the fact that
it it sold more Windows Phones in 2011 than Nokia has to do
with the crippling patent deals it was forced to sign with
Microsoft. Samsung is of course in a much stronger position
and must have got much better terms from Microsoft. Dropping
Android and going for Windows Phones is of course a
corporate death penalty as Nokia found out, and this no
doubt explains HTC's rapidly slipping profitability and
market position.

I think Apple may have settled with HTC in order to
establish a baseline royalty rate to attack Samsung with.
HTC may have gotten a better rate than Apple was asking
earlier due to invalidation of many of Apple's patents, and
this may have triggered the settlement.

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