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Uncertainty is NOT your friend when it comes to global warming | 555 comments | Create New Account
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Global warming is politics
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, October 28 2012 @ 07:14 PM EDT
The science behind the problem has been overtaken by politics and the money
market.

Be ready to see the elite trade carbon certificates and make a huge pile of
money on the exchange.

Be prepared to pay more for your energy so that these pollution traders can make
their pile of money.

Be prepared to see the overall CO2 levels continue to climb.

Be prepared to see a raft of nuclear power stations built by the sea and managed
by self interested business and government regulators that brought us fukashima.

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Uncertainty is NOT your friend when it comes to global warming
Authored by: Bernard on Sunday, October 28 2012 @ 08:29 PM EDT
I actually think that there is a very big problem, but possibly not what we are being told. What we don't know is whether reality will be worse, better, or as bad but in a different way, as the predictions.

Well, if you consider that the IPCC reports are filtered through a political process and every word is approved by politically-appointed members from every member country (including the OPEC ones!), it's no surprise that their predictions tend to be conservative.

If you read the scientific papers that lie behind the IPCC reports, though, you find a wide range of uncertainty. The predicted impacts range from "Oh, that's not going to be much fun!" right through to "I wonder if my great grandchildren will have any hope of surviving this?" (no joke...)

I read one just a week or two back, that stated the last time the paleoclimate record has CO2 levels & temps comparable to the high end of predictions, there were no animals living within the tropics, and the tropical oceans were completely devoid of any life other than heat-loving algae & bacteria.

Impacts on humans may be just as devastating. Recent studies suggest global rice crops could fall by at least a third by the end of the century, and wheat & other grains don't far much better. How are we going to feed 9+ billion with a third less food than we have today? Not to mention water issues, with changing rainfall patterns.

We're already seeing some impacts of this. South West Australia is a classic example. Annual rainfall has dropped about 30% or more in the last 2-3 decades, as the weather patterns that previous brought that area rain shift further away from the equator and toward the south pole, pushing them off the south coast of Australia. It's worse than it sounds, though, because a 30% drop in rainfall means something like an 80% drop in river flows. Inflows into dams in the area have dropped accordingly (see this graph), and water security is a real issue. That's why the gov't there has built a desalination plant, and a second is on the way, and they're talking about re- using treated wastewater.

And that's just one well-documented case. There are plenty of other changes around that are likely due to climate change, but attribution is difficult, because natural variation is so large, so it's only been done in a few cases.

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Effect of Green Energy on the Environment
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, October 29 2012 @ 01:51 AM EDT
What no-one is saying is what "green" energy such as wind turbines, tidal schemes etc, is going to do to the environment. They gloss over that as if the effects are negligible, which is almost certainly not true.
I have also wondered about the effects of large quantities of wind turbines, etc. TMK these effects simply aren't known. (I am always willing to learn if I am wrong.) I suspect the effects won't be known until we have traveled a significant distance down that path such as I doubt that at the beginning of the industrial revolution anybody could imagine the problem with green house gases. But if we know, as I think we do (again, I am willing to learn from serious discussion) that green house gases are leading to serious problems, I think we have to go down the road of alternatives and then try to deal with the problems if/when they are discovered.

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