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Honeycomb composites
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, October 24 2012 @ 09:18 PM EDT

The use of honeycomb cores in composites has been around a long time. And is very common in aquatic or marine boat construction.

Apparently, if you make such a composite using concrete skins and a concrete honeycomb core, you have to pay Global Marine Development Inc of Newport Beach, California . This 2005 article suggests they have world-wide patents on this.

Just more dumb. Doing "it" on the Internet is no reason for a patent. Doing "it" with concrete isn't either.

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"Apple victory as Samsung loses US trade ruling"
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, October 24 2012 @ 09:29 PM EDT
see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20077735

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Samsung Infringes Four Apple Patents, Trade Judge Says
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, October 24 2012 @ 09:43 PM EDT
NewsPick

[PJ: How stupid is this going to get?
...
Anybody noticing that patent law makes no sense?]
Tsk, tsk, PJ. You tell us to observe here how the law works in the real world, and that no matter how silly some cases seem to be going thru the courts, truth and justice will prevail. When Teacher throws her arms up in despair, is it time for us to conclude the law really is an ass? No, not yet. PJ says "[t]he exact same patents." Has anyone checked if the patents are word for word identical? The more significant difference will be the cultural bias that the judges in each country bring to their interpretation of their patents and their law. In that light I would like to offer a small amendment:
Anybody noticing that US patent law is out of step with all other civilized countries?
As an aside, I had a miscalculation with Time Zones intending to watch Bloomberg's comment referred in the M.CAM Newspick. Instead I found Charlie Rose discussing Foreign Policy with experts including former U.S. National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski. ZB opined that the world no longer wants or needs the USA as a leader. It wants the US as a coalition partner and to provide stability, and both presidential candidates are grappling with this concept. I suggest that Apple v. Samsung as presently playing thru US courts countervails that sentiment.

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Upstanding
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 25 2012 @ 05:00 AM EDT
http://www.futilitycloset.com/2012/10/17/upstanding-2/


Some fun:

If the law was perfect, politicians woudn't need the power to change it.
If the law is perfect, but has to change to adapt to changing circumstances,
then politicians shouldn't be old men.
If the law isn't perfect, then why should we care *exactly* what it says about
anything? The rough shape should be all, as that's taking it's (large) error
bounds into account.

There's a quote about change being caused by the unreasonable, but I can't
remember it offhand.

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Upstanding
Authored by: squib on Thursday, October 25 2012 @ 05:01 AM EDT
On the matter of hoping an organization will be
able to see that some things legally right are not
morally right:

Over the years I've read many attempts by
psychologists to diagnose an unhealthy
organisation.

Poran Poregbal says:

I believe there is a possibility to
diagnose a government or an organization with
personality disorders such as borderline or
antisocial, and why not obsessive-compulsive
disorder. We just play this game to see where we
get...

I also find of interest the symptoms listed in the
Wikipedia article: Narcissist ic personality disorder

Signs of these symptoms, must of course, be entirely
coincidental in this case (cough).

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Upstanding
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 25 2012 @ 05:41 AM EDT
Hey PJ how about this one:

Scumbag patent attys: why are you not more like the good Mr. Lincon?

You KNOW they revere him... but apparently, like so many other things, only when
it is convenient!

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CHAMP - lights out
Authored by: albert on Thursday, October 25 2012 @ 11:29 AM EDT
Link < /br>
The problem with most military technology is that it can be used _against_ the developers. For our sake, I hope we are developing defences against these weapons. Our armed forces are extremely reliant on high tech systems. CHAMP-like weapons could devastate our military capabilities.

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Incredible CSI-Like “Enhance!” App
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 25 2012 @ 02:51 PM EDT
http://gizmodo.com/5953601/incredible-csi-enhance-technology-fixes-
unfocused-photos

Why is it that so often I seem to come upon extremely useful apps
like this, in the fields of sound and image processing, where many
practitioners use other brand OS, the great new app is for
Windows only. I'll take a substantial wager that like many others
I've seen, it's also not clean portable code and will take a major
rewrite to get running on Mac or Linux.

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Technically Torvalds may be right. Destroying Microsoft is a side-effect
Authored by: IMANAL_TOO on Thursday, October 25 2012 @ 03:40 PM EDT
Technically Torvalds may be right. Killing off Microsoft is a side-effect:

"Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely
unintentional side effect" http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds

Now:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/us-android-research-idUSBRE89N11J20121
024

"At the end of 2016, there will be 2.3 billion computers, tablets and
smartphones using Android software, compared with 2.28 billion Windows devices,
Gartner data showed. That compares to an expected 1.5 billion Windows devices by
the end of this year, against 608 million using Android."

Where is Apple in this eqation?

Fiddling with iPad Mini 2 perhaps?




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Lauren's Handy Guide for Detecting and Dealing with Trolls...
Authored by: Gringo_ on Thursday, October 25 2012 @ 06:25 PM EDT

That was an excellent guide.

We recently suffered a serious attack by a troll (or trolls) in the comments to the article Apple's Licensing Offer To Samsung Raises Questions About FRAND Rates and What's Behind the Attacks on Google ~pj. The guide described his behaviour to a T. It was uncanny reading that guide and recalling my experience in that thread.

One item in the guide says...

3) "Professional" trolls ("pro-trolls") usually prowl public ... postings explicitly looking to spread disinformation and propaganda -- or even "simply" to disrupt threads -- in furtherance of specific goals... Some of these trolls work in organized packs, sometimes with serious funding behind them as systematic social networking disruption agents. Despite the tone of their postings, professional trolls are usually not actually nuts or idiots, and are very goal-oriented.

This is exactly what they do on Slashdot, where I was a regular for many years until they started give the trolls free range (shortly after they began displaying large ads for Microsoft). Then going there became such an upsetting experience for me I left and never looked back. The trolls won - succeeded in their goal of disrupting what used to be a good, anti-Microsoft site. I have no doubt these trolls are employed by Microsoft, and came along as part of a lucrative advertising contract to "clean up the site".

The troll that attacked the Groklaw article mentioned above appeared to have two goals - disrupt the conversation, and plant memes. Because of the latter, and the fact they weren't being blocked or deleted, I and many others took it upon ourselves to reply with accurate information to neutralize the memes planted. The concern was, later on somebody reading the comments might internalize one of these memes. While they say "Do not feed the trolls" these comments needed to be deleted or neutralized. I wasn't comfortable just leaving them there. However, it was an unpleasant experience dealing with this - the sheer vehemence and persistence of that troll... he clearly had a mission and a goal. What gave him that drive? I have no doubt he was a professional, and therefore, receiving remuneration for his efforts. PJ had written an excellent article I thought was just too important to abandon to the trolls.

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Copyright Office ties itself in knots on jailbreaking, media backups, and fair use
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 26 2012 @ 02:51 AM EDT
The Verge

This seems confused, how can they argue that phones are allowed to be jailbroken, but tablets aren't? How and why are phones and tablets different in copyright terms?

How on earth is space-shifting a DVD onto another device a violation of fair use? Does that mean that wireless display tech to view things on other screens than the one directly connected to the source device with a cable is illegal?

What are we buying when we buy media, as it sure isn't a license to view the media as far as they're concerned. Maybe it's just the physical lactic disc, with no implication of it being usable for any purpose.

I think in Europe space-shifting is legal, but maybe I have misunderstood.

Is it the copyright office making new law, or just clarifying existing law?

- Stevos (baffled)

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Have Apple complied with the court order to post an apology on their website?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 26 2012 @ 06:08 AM EDT
Apple website post on UK judgement

I'm not sure if that covers their requirements or not. It doesn't look like an apology, but I don't recall the exact wording of the order. Also I can't see anywhere on their site linking to it yet

- Stevos

The bit at the end where they refer to other judgements seems designed to basically throw the UK judgement and courts under a bus. I'm not sure what the reaction to this will be.

Samsung / Apple UK judgment

On 9th July 2012 the High Court of Justice of England and Wales ruled that Samsung Electronic (UK) Limited’s Galaxy Tablet Computer, namely the Galaxy Tab 10.1, Tab 8.9 and Tab 7.7 do not infringe Apple’s registered design No. 0000181607-0001. A copy of the full judgment of the High court is available on the following link www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Patents/2012/1882.html.

In the ruling, the judge made several important points comparing the designs of the Apple and Samsung products:

"The extreme simplicity of the Apple design is striking. Overall it has undecorated flat surfaces with a plate of glass on the front all the way out to a very thin rim and a blank back. There is a crisp edge around the rim and a combination of curves, both at the corners and the sides. The design looks like an object the informed user would want to pick up and hold. It is an understated, smooth and simple product. It is a cool design."

"The informed user's overall impression of each of the Samsung Galaxy Tablets is the following. From the front they belong to the family which includes the Apple design; but the Samsung products are very thin, almost insubstantial members of that family with unusual details on the back. They do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design. They are not as cool."

That Judgment has effect throughout the European Union and was upheld by the Court of Appeal on 18 October 2012. A copy of the Court of Appeal’s judgment is available on the following link www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2012/1339.html. There is no injunction in respect of the registered design in force anywhere in Europe.

However, in a case tried in Germany regarding the same patent, the court found that Samsung engaged in unfair competition by copying the iPad design. A U.S. jury also found Samsung guilty of infringing on Apple's design and utility patents, awarding over one billion U.S. dollars in damages to Apple Inc. So while the U.K. court did not find Samsung guilty of infringement, other courts have recognized that in the course of creating its Galaxy tablet, Samsung willfully copied Apple's far more popular iPad.

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Samsung Reports Record Profits
Authored by: john-from-ct on Friday, October 26 2012 @ 08:12 AM EDT
Seems Apple has been introduced to the Streisand Effect, as reported by Bloomberg

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Apple seeks patent for Lightning connector authentication system
Authored by: albert on Friday, October 26 2012 @ 12:39 PM EDT
Link

The Walled Garden is closing. Most electronic devices have warnings about using unapproved third-party peripherals. If you blow up the machine, tough luck (and no warranty). Few use it as an excuse for locking out peripheral makers. If Apple gets the patent, they _could_ license it to other manufacturers, who would pay dearly for the privilege. Or not. Then Apple gets to charge whatever they want, and the 3rd party makers walk.

The losers are Apple customers.

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