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Author's Google Bias
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 23 2012 @ 10:06 AM EDT
So apparently you have a bias against Google. All of your Statements are non-factual polemics. There is actually only so much real estate on a computer screen, somebody or something has to be at the top, and there will always be arguments for and against whoever. If you know how to effectively use a search engine you can always find what you are looking for and I am very happy with Google's search, have been since the beginnng. What I am not happy with is government censorship, which Google is informative enough to point out to me in the search results, this is by far a MUCH bigger problem.
Google have no respect for people's privacy
You state this as if it were a fact, but it is NOT actually a fact. Facebook is worse, Apple is worse. Microsoft is worse, Sony is much worse, and governments are THE WORST. Just to name a few of the really big ones. You're comment has a very obvious slant to it. I know that my data is much safer with Google than any other Internet Entity as a technical fact, I would never trust any personal Data to Facebook or Apple or Microsoft for that matter. Google invest very heavily in security of their Infrastructure and their Chrome Browser is known to be the most secure Browser currently on the market. If I would install Microsoft Windows it would be like directly installing a Spyware fixture on my computer, full of all kinds of back doors and security holes.

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Author's Google Bias
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 23 2012 @ 10:07 AM EDT
You really think IE was better than Netscape? Yeah right.

Google have used their massive pile of money to finance excursions into areas
other than search. And they may have put adverts on their own website for those
excursions. But I'm pretty sure they make it clear when they're doing that and
keep it out of the search results. They know people use them because they're
good, because the competition is only a click away.

Pretty much everyone here agrees that Google have a scarey amount of power, but
they have been far more restrained than any other corperation I could name with
how they use that power.

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Author's Google Bias
Authored by: Gringo_ on Tuesday, October 23 2012 @ 10:23 AM EDT

The idea that they should be allowed to put google maps at the top of searches for maps because "you don't want to find worse products" are ludicrous and draw parallels with Microsoft's bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows.

Wow - that sentence is so loaded with fallacies it is hard to know where to begin. Let's start here: What law is there that says what Google has to put in its search results? For one thing, that is a free speech issue, isn't it? Suppose you have a website. Could I complain about what you decide to put at the top?

You seem to justify your point of view by complaining about Google's "Dominant position". What bearing does that have on anything? You don't explain. Is there some law against having a dominant position on line? If you build a web site focusing on a subject area that is better than mine in that area, and people prefer your site to mine, do I have a right to complain?

You say Google has used their dominant position in search to expand into other areas, but you do not show a shred of evidence that there is anything wrong with this. That is simply called "growth".

You draw parallels between Google search result listings and Microsoft's bundling of Internet Explorer with Windows. That is totally ludicrous. Microsoft controls a platform that people are heavily invested in. What investment do you have in Google search? How hard would it be for you to use Bling instead? Do you have to download software off the internet and install it to do that, like you would to use an alternative browser? Then the notion of comparing Google to Microsoft in the first place, how is there any comparison between a convicted monopolist and a web search company? The economics between the two companies are like comparing apples to oranges. Microsoft developed a platform that people are heavily invested in and cannot easily move away from, where as Google has a website you can click on or not, at a whim.

Google have no respect for people's privacy, and use personal data to make a lot of money for themselves.

Another heavily loaded phrase. First you need to define what is "respect for privacy"? I think that term means different things to different people, so it is very hard to make any kind of blanket statement like that. For me, in this context, respect for privacy means somebody not revealing personal details about me without permission such as: my name, address, and telephone number, sex, etc. and beyond that, just about any detail about my life that is linked directly to me. I have no problem with Google collecting aggregate data and pooling data derived from interactions with me with that aggregate. This cannot be linked directly to me by name. However, others are uncomfortable with even this and I respect that, and don't want to start of a debate on the subject, which would be off the point I am trying to make here.

The point I am trying to make is: As you so brilliantly pointed out the obvious, that is how many companies make money, by gathering marketing data, and using or selling data. Google is no different here than hundreds of other companies Facebook, Yahoo, Apple, and Microsoft, so I don't see how that gives your argument any weight or even meaning. There is no law against gathering marketing data.

Google do have respect for people's privacy, as they inform you exactly what data they collect, give you some control over that, and certainly don't give out any personal information. Beyond that, if you don't like Google, don't use Google or any of their products. It is a simply matter of preference. Why are you here complaining, when you could be elsewhere on a site that makes you happy? You don't need to use Google. It is as simple as that. In summation on this point, you making a statement such as "Google has no respect for privacy" to justify your conclusion is totally bogus.

Implying that google are doing good or fighting for freedom is incredibly naive. Stick to the analysis of the law...

Analysis of the law... but you don't provide us with any! Are you trying to imply that Google has somehow transgressed the law? Well you will need more that a brief comment to provide such an analyses. Certainly simply slurring Google does not provide us with any useful information.

In the end, I find your comment appallingly empty of substance, and a complete waste of space.

As far as Google doing good, you do bring up a good point. Google does a tremendous amount of good with their contributions to open source. I guess maybe you wouldn't understand that, but that means a great deal to a lot of us, because it allows us to escape Apple's prison and Microsoft's predations.

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Where is SpaceLifeForm? This post has "TROLL" written all over it
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 23 2012 @ 01:34 PM EDT
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Search... and everything else
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 23 2012 @ 03:57 PM EDT
Could you explain just how Google has "abused their dominant position in
search to muscle into many areas"?

You mention maps, but I've never seen maps injected into my searches unless I
specifically asked for it, and besides, I am free to use any number of
alternatives to both search and (insert other service).

And while I agree with your privacy statement as far as I don't use Google's
cloud services due to not being comfortable with giving them my data, that isn't
a Google problem, its a services-over-internet problem in general.

I don't use any of those services regardless of the source, because *NONE* of
them meet my standard of privacy. And Microsoft will NEVER qualify. I quit
using their products altogether in 2001, and haven't looked back.

So I use Google search by choice, don't find it pushing or trapping me into
other Google services in any way, despite there being numerous alternatives. My
experiences with other search engines have been uniformly negative, primarily
due to exactly what the opposition is claiming for Google... useless sponsored
results that have nothing to do with my search.

Pot, meet kettle.

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