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Never understood these "forcing" complaints.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 20 2012 @ 07:46 AM EDT
With Ubuntu, it always seemed to me that it wasn't much more than Debian with all the Gnome boxes pre-checked, and with pains taken to avoid having users actually learn anything about linux/unix computing. But it was always still very easy to install a different desktop environment using apt. So, for anyone who doesn't like Unity (which I confess I have never seen), it isn't a big deal to install KDE, Gnome, XFCE, or whatever you want.

I'm a Debian user with even less Ubuntu exposure. What always puzzles me is that apparently for KDE you need a separate Kubuntu distribution, for XFCE a separate Xubuntu distribution etc, with their own package repositories if I'm not mistaken. The desktop systems should just be packages in a single distribution. What happens if I want to install Unity, Gnome, KDE and XFCE? Can I just mix the several sources or does that introduce conflicts preventing the installation of some of them? Perhaps it all goes smoothly, but even the suggestion that a different choice of desktop implies you need a different OS strikes me as very misleading.

Now - a couple of months ago, there was something here on Groklaw that indicated that Ubuntu accounted for something like 90% of Linux desktops. *That* is what I find shocking.

I knew that. It seems that what I consider to be misleading is exactly what saves a majority of people from getting confused. I think a lot of those people should be quite capable of understanding their computer a bit better, but the entire software industry, including Canonical, seems to be conspiring against that.

In discussions about that I'm usually told that you shouldn't need to understand how things work under de hood to be able to use a system. That's true, but every car driver knows there's an engine under the hood, and even if they don't know much about how it works they understand exactly what it's for, and that is true for other major components of their car too. Understanding the basic distinction between software and hardware, between OS, desktop system and application isn't beyond most people.

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Never understood these "forcing" complaints.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 20 2012 @ 03:50 PM EDT
"Forcing" in this instance means having to take whatever's
in the box, let it install, there's no choice - EU browser anyone?
- then find out how it works enough to safely replace it with
your favorite. If one had the time one could sift thru all the
reviews and choose a suitable distro to avoid this.

I've "chosen" several distros over the years. I concluded Ubuntu
had been designed for an easy instal, familiar desktop to wean
people away from Redmond. I got tired of every kernel update
breaking my video drivers, and "forcing" a reconfig of my network.
Yes forcing, because without the reconfig my network was lost.
I'm currently running Mint, it saw my USB speakers without having
to be told, it accepted a non-standard DHCP from my router
without making stupid decisions of its own. I'll just have to
wait and see if something breaks at the next upgrade...

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