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You don't understand computer-implemented method patents | 758 comments | Create New Account
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You are tying too much
Authored by: SpaceLifeForm on Tuesday, October 16 2012 @ 01:39 AM EDT
No crypto algorithm deserves a patent.

If it is good, it should be public knowledge.

If it is secret, it will be cracked.


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You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.

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You don't understand computer-implemented method patents
Authored by: Wol on Tuesday, October 16 2012 @ 07:13 AM EDT
Except that a computer is ALSO a single purpose machine. It plays the program
fed into it.

What's the difference between a player piano playing a piano-roll, and an early
computer "playing" a program on paper tape?

And what's the difference between that early computer and a modern one?

At what point in the GRADATION from pianola to computer does the paper tape
become patentable?

Cheers,
Wol

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You don't understand computer-implemented method patents
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, October 16 2012 @ 10:42 AM EDT
You say that a player piano analogy breaks down because it is a single purpose machine - you could be right, but you could be wrong. It depends how pedantic you want to be. Does your player piano only play one key?

I see the analogy in a different way, I think, to you.

Rather than think of a player piano + piano roll as the whole computer, ie CPU + memory + peripherals, where peripherals are everything that aren't the cpu + memory, ie graphics card, monitor, keyboard, mouse. The player piano is the cpu only... and a very simple cpu at that.

Ignore the recent advances in CPU techonology where lots of things have been put on the cpu, because they aren't actually relevant. I'd like you to consider a really, really simple cpu. I'm thinking of something more like an adder.

Your single key player piano detecting a hole in the piano roll and outputting a note is like the adder detecting the input voltages and outputting the output voltages.

Put lots of adders together and you can do something fancy, maybe some multiplication or more. Put lots of keys on the player piano and you can play some fancy music.

If you want to play your silly word games about configuring a computer we can do. The player piano is configured by the piano roll just as much as the computer is configured by the software.

Before starting the:

  • player piano, it is in it's default state and does not make any sound.
  • software, the computer is in it's default state and is not producing the results of any calculations (based on the software that it is not running).

    Start the:

  • player piano and there is movement - take a snapshot at any particular moment and the player piano is not in it's default position.
  • software and there is "movement" - take a snapshot at any particular moment and the computer is not in it's default position.

    When the:

  • player piano has finished playing then (ignoring the position of the piano roll - technically, it's not the player piano because it is removeable) and the player piano is in it's default state and does not make any sound.
  • software has finished running (either because the computer is turned off or because the software was no longer running - ignoring the position of any resultant data because technically it's not a part of the computer because it is removeable) the computer is in it's default state and is not producing the results of any calculations (based on the software that it is not running).

    I say that you should ignore the:

  • piano roll - I don't know about all piano players but depending on the type of piano roll it may be necessary to "rewind" the roll so that it is back at the beginning. The piano roll - ie memory - is not in the same state that it was in before the player piano was started.
  • position of any resultant data - ie memory - because it is not in the same state that it was in before the software was run.

    When making the analogy of a player piano + piano roll == computer + software I think it would be better to think of the player piano being like the CPU, not the whole kit and kaboodle that we call a computer.

    It could be argued in a different way too... you could view the keys of a player piano as being it's peripherals, the mechanism that "reads" the piano roll is the CPU and the piano roll is, again, the memory/data/software. Actually, I think I prefer this way of thinking about it. The mechanism that reads the piano roll is like a many core processor - one core for each key - and each core only has one purpose.

    j

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  • You don't understand computers
    Authored by: celtic_hackr on Tuesday, October 16 2012 @ 12:10 PM EDT
    Computers are a single purpose machine. They just run programs.

    They don't get happy. They don't get sad. They just run programs. They don't
    reconfigure anything. Everything a computer can do is because it is running a
    program. and it resets to it default configuration once reset. Some of the first
    computers ran on punched cards or punched paper. Exactly like a player piano. If
    you're going to spout nonsense at least learn the history first, anonymous
    troll.

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