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Footnote 16 describes classical "von Neumann" architecture, should say the PC can be changed | 758 comments | Create New Account
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PC != Personal Computer
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, October 14 2012 @ 11:11 AM EDT
Which is my immediate reaction to your comment - that you hadn't realised that
PolR was not talking about personal computers.

Anyways, please provide just ONE example of a Von Neumann computer that footnote
16 does not describe. imho footnote 16 would be just as applicable if used to
describe a 50-series, or a Vax, or a Wang. Or a 360 et al et al.

Cheers,
Wol

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Footnote 16 describes classical "von Neumann" architecture, should say the PC can be changed
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, October 14 2012 @ 11:22 AM EDT
That is, a classical "stored program" computer with fixed-length
instructions, as originally contemplated by Babbage in the first half of the
19th century, and implemented mechanically (no electricity required!) in the
late 20th for fun. This is deacribed in the ieee Spectrum, I think.

My only nit in this is that it should mention the idea of coditional branches
modifying the PC depending on the data in the registers.

(Christenson)

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Footnote 16 and all it supports is myopic.
Authored by: PolR on Sunday, October 14 2012 @ 12:57 PM EDT
Footnote 16 is a quotation from a text book used to teach university level
computer organization courses. It purpose in this article is to show that I
didn't make up the instruction cycle. There is indeed such a thing and its
existence is taught in computer science classes.

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Footnote 16 and all it supports is myopic.
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, October 17 2012 @ 04:25 AM EDT

The sewing machine analogy is quite good: Although it's not possible (or reasonable) to patent the sewing of straight lines it is possible to patent a novel method of sewing waterproof seams. A good patent specification for this would keep the type of sewing machine, thread and so on as general as possible while describing the essential features that made this a new method. Switching back to software this corresponds to patenting a new algorithm without describing the computer or listing the code.

'The software is Maths' discussion is great because it opens up the whole issue of invention and discovery:

What about a 'mechanical' computing machine such as Babbages? Surely everyone agrees that the physical implementation of the computer is irrelevant to this argument, we are interested in 'abstract' software, and that's still Maths

So what about controllers in the days before microprocessors? These would often consist of electrical or pneumatic switches, sensors and valves. Sometimes separate components joined by wire or tubes but sometimes all built into a single device. A good example would be an old fashioned carburettor.

I doubt they get taught any more but when I studied engineering we learnt about 'analogue' computers. These were devices that used some physical properties or behaviour to model an otherwise intractable calculation (actually, a modern equivalent would be the use of quantum properties to calculate prime factors of very large numbers)

Now imagine that two people (independently) invent a new carburettor that is a dramatic improvement over anything in existence. It's main feature is responding intelligently to various inputs and adjusting air and fuel supply to the engine. One person devises a clever, complicated, analogue method for doing this and files a patent. The other sees that the same result can be obtained using the existing sensors and engine management computer but with an exquisitely sophisticated modification to the software. Surely everyone would agree that the 'black box' principle should apply, both inventions are essentially getting the same result so if the first one is patentable the second one ought to be.

However just before she files her patent the second inventor realizes that the software contains a brilliant new algorithm that represents a fundamental mathematical breakthrough and as a byproduct proves that p equals np. The commercial value, and benefit to mankind, of this new 'invention' make existing audio and video codex look like chicken feed. However it is simply the discovery of a mathematical proof so surely not patentable. The only thing she can do is go through all the possible practical uses of her algorithm and file patents for each.

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