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Footnote 16 and all it supports is myopic.
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, October 17 2012 @ 07:27 AM EDT
The sewing machine analogy is quite good: Although it's not possible (or reasonable) to patent the sewing of straight lines it is possible to patent a novel method of sewing waterproof seams. A good patent specification for this would keep the type of sewing machine, thread and so on as general as possible while describing the essential features that made this a new method. Switching back to software this corresponds to patenting a new algorithm without describing the computer or listing the code.
Really? That's interesting. No changes in the hardware of the actual sewing machine, let's say from the traditional Singer sewing machine then? A different needle? Or maybe a different cloth/fabric? Perhaps you're using a different thread? Or was there a primer, sealer or glue used?

Of these changes, only a new thread or new cloth could be, I think, considered as being similar to a new algorithm. The other changes would be more akin to adding a or changing peripheral.

Perhaps the cloth has a sealer in-built so that when it's punctured by the needle it bleeds and the resulting coagulant seals the two pieces of fabric together. Wouldn't the patent be on the cloth though rather than the action of sewing the cloth?

So, perhaps you'd be kind enough to detail what differences there are between a standard setup - cotton cloth, cotton thread on a normal type of sewing machine with a normal needle. (And please use common sense in your answer rather than arguing about the definition of a "normal type of sewing machine" is.)

I'm quite interested as I've used a few different sewing machines to make a number of different products varying from waterproof, thermally insulating, acoustically insulating and decorative in a variety of shapes and sizes and using different types of thread (cotton, glass fibre, Kevlar and steel) and cloth (glass fibre, Kevlar and cotton).

I'm by no means an expert sewer, it was more than 15 years ago and I can't say I sewed every possible combination of needle, thread, machine and cloth, nor have I ever bothered looking at the patents of sewing machines or at the actual hardware in a sewing machine, but you've got me intrigued.

I guess you think that using a different thread, needle, fabric or using the sealer is the same as using different software, so let's go with that one then. After sewing your waterproof seam, what has changed with the sewing machine? Is it still the same sewing machine?

Let's say that you don't need a sealer. Using the same thread and needle that you use to make the waterproof seal is it still possible to sew as normal? What is the invention with your waterproof seal?

The point of the sewing machine analogy, I think, is that doing something different with what you've got that is within the normal usage of what you've got is not deserving of a patent. A computer was designed to be programmed. It was designed to take inputs and it was designed to produce outputs.

In Diehr, the outputs went outside the usual combination of CPU/memory/keyboard/mouse/monitor to a new output type and the computer was only a part of the claimed patent.

A sewing machine was designed to sew cloth using a needle and thread. If you add something else to the system, like a sealer, then you're changing the process by adding something that was not already there so it is not like software.

Your patent on sewing a waterproof seam, I believe, would have introduced something external to the machine that is new and non-obvious and would be more akin to creating a new machine containing a CPU in combination with software to control the machine - kinda like Diehr invented his rubber curing machine with a CPU to control it.

I'm sorry that I may have been a little incoherant. Too little time and too much to think about that's just wrong about what you said.

j

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