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Breadth of exclusion is the problem. Are you sure? | 758 comments | Create New Account
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Breadth of exclusion is the problem. Are you sure?
Authored by: PolR on Sunday, October 14 2012 @ 04:41 PM EDT
By that logic you could patent an instruction manual because the text is
narrowly defined and a manual is an article of manufacture.

Or you can patent an equation because the equation is narrowly defined.

How do you reconcile this with Supreme Court precedents like Mayo? This patent
was narrowly defined.

Another issue is how broad must it be to be too broad? Do you have a test?

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True, breadth of exclusion is the problem... but the fact is
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, October 15 2012 @ 03:36 AM EDT
that patents on ANYTHING abstract are too broad an exclusion. The courts
decided that centuries ago.

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Not breadth of exclusion - prior art and fails to meet U.S.C. 35 § 101
Authored by: Ian Al on Monday, October 15 2012 @ 07:00 AM EDT
From the Supreme Court decision in Bilski:
The Court’s precedents provide three specific exceptions to §101’s broad patent-eligibility principles: “laws of nature, physical phenomena, and abstract ideas.” (Chakrabarty). While these exceptions are not required by the statutory text, they are consistent with the notion that a patentable process must be “new and useful.”
Math may be new and useful, but it is abstract ideas. Patents are only legally awarded for a 'new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvement thereof'. The Supreme Court treats mathematical algorithms as prior art. Again, from Bilski:
The Court concluded that the process at issue there was “unpatentable under §101, not because it contain[ed] a mathematical algorithm as one component, but because once that algorithm [wa]s assumed to be within the prior art, the application, considered as a whole, contain[ed] no patentable invention.
Laws of Nature and physical phenomena can never be new and are non-patentable, by law, for this reason. Folk often confuse newly discovered with new. The Supreme Court does not make this error. So, PolR's example of E=mc2 is not patentable because the 'discovered' equation is math and an abstract idea and the underlying meaning is a law of nature.

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Regards
Ian Al
Software Patents: It's the disclosed functions in the patent, stupid!

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