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Authored by: cricketjeff on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 04:35 PM EDT |
With summary in the subject I believe is the norm
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 04:40 PM EDT |
<smile/> [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 04:50 PM EDT |
That's a nice way to avoid the the 500 pound Gorilla of an issue that would be
implied by the word "prejudicial" since the original phrase avoids the
inferences associated with willfulness.
Clearly that's an issue for another court.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Yossarian on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 04:50 PM EDT |
To show the lawyer that is just not as good as Daniel
Webster... 1/2 :-)[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: nsomos on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 05:06 PM EDT |
Please post off topic to this article, while remaining
on-topic to Groklaw in general. These starter threads
should only be posted by logged in members, as some
people block anonymous posts and would not see them
if they are started by anonymous posters.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: cricketjeff on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 05:10 PM EDT |
Follow-ups on the news-picks ....
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- Descendents? - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 10:13 AM EDT
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Authored by: Gringo_ on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 05:22 PM EDT |
As if Apple describes their mysterious "heuristic" in it.
I bet they don't,
because it seems to claim that the invention is using
heuristics, and how
many can be used and how they have to differ - or not.
That is such a high level concept that it is like trying to
patent the notion
of software in general. Imagine somebody owning the
concept of when
and where to apply heuristics. It is outrageous!
I was developing some software the other day, and in
two places I used
heuristics to accomplish something rather than a
calculation. In one
case, it was an optimization that took advantage of
how an algorithm is
actually used. In the other case it was to determine
what degree of
precision an equation required.
That was plain ordinary software engineering. There
was no flash of
brilliance, no stroke of genius, no "a ha" epiphany, and
certainly no
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Authored by: dio gratia on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 05:37 PM EDT |
So much for a free ride on the Entire Market Value Rule.
That
does not mean, however, that every such component is “core” to the operation of
the machine, let alone that each component is the driver of consumer demand. To
establish a sufficiently strong causal nexus, Apple must show that consumers buy
the Galaxy Nexus because it is equipped with the apparatus claimed in the ’604
patent— not because it can search in general, and not even because it has
unified search.
You get the impression Apple takes easy wins in
lower courts as divine mandate and assumes their position is law.
Apple seems to
be off in their own little world view in applying the entire market value rule.
We seem to be
running out of things about the entire court case that were reasonable. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: SilverWave on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 06:08 PM EDT |
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RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 06:36 PM EDT |
From the ruling:
We hold that the district court’s
determination that “each” modifies “plurality of heuristic modules” is erroneous
because it contravenes the plain terms of the claim. The word “each” appears not
before “plurality of modules,” but inside the “wherein” clause and before the
phrase “heuristic modules.”
Yes, Virginia, we are diagramming
sentences today.
The district court drew support for its
construction from ResQNet. [...] But ResQNet in fact counsels the opposite
conclusion.
The District Court cites ResQNet because Apple
cites it, of course. But did you read your homework
assignment?
That case involved two different claims, one of
which recited “each field,” the other one “each of a plurality of
fields.”
Not quite the same...
We thought
“[t]his difference is significant” and thus construed the two claims separately,
holding that the first claim meant “all fields,” the latter “at least two, but
not all.”
"We thought". Yeah, Judge Prost - who is
writing this ruling for the panel - was also on ResQNet. PJ was asking "What are
the odds?" about V. Hogan having been sued by the husband of a partner at Quinn
Emanuel... Well, "small world syndrome" has struck Apple
again.
Here, the district court eliminated the very
distinction that we deemed material
Yeah, that's my
emphasis. The way I construe the FC's sentence, it appears duly emphasiable to
me.
... in ResQNet by plucking “each” from where it appears and
planting it before the phrase “plurality of modules.” That was
error,
This finger of blame points at Judge
Koh...
... and Apple’s reliance on ResQNet based on the
assertion that it “involv[ed] almost identical claim language” is—at
best—incorrect.
while this one, along with the raised eyebrow,
is directed at Apple. Unfortunately, that'll probably be the limit of the
sanctions they will get - after Judge Koh's error, she would have a hard time
justifying throwing this stone at Apple.
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Authored by: JonCB on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 06:45 PM EDT |
To be fair on Judge Koh, the ruling doesn't say that Judge Koh
was "-at best-incorrect", it is very specific that it is
Apple's reliance on that particular case (for that particular
purpose) that is incorrect.
No mention that perhaps Judge Koh should leave the "seems
legit" rubber stamp at home however. Sorry about that... my
cynicism escaped the leash for a bit but it's under control
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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 11 2012 @ 10:43 PM EDT |
How can they claim a heuristic algorithm as part of their invention (let alone
two or three) ... Claim that this is an essential part of their invention ...
And then use something they dont even own in the first place?
Doesn't the license agreement from the search engines preclude this kind of
stealing? (Or am I the only one who thinks this is stealing?)[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 12:10 AM EDT |
I don't understand the first sentence at all:The Federal Circuit
Court of Appeals has just ruled, Bloomberg/Businessweek reports, that Samsung
can continue to sell the Galaxy Nexus while the appeal works it way through the
courts. That is kind of what Bloomberg/Businessweek
said:Samsung (005930) Electronics Co., the world’s largest
mobile-phone maker, won its bid to continue selling its newest Galaxy Nexus
smartphone in the U.S. while it battles patent-infringement claims filed by
Apple Inc.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit yesterday
granted Samsung’s request to lift a lower court’s ban on sales. Samsung wants to
continue selling the phone while it challenges a federal judge’s June 29 ruling
that Apple was likely to win its suit claiming the Galaxy Nexus infringed four
patents and that sales were hurting Apple’s business in the meantime.
The first paragraph doesn't say where Samsung would fight, but the
second implies that the judge's June 29 ruling still exists. But wasn't that
what was just reversed and remanded? Reading the court of appeal's decision, I
don't see how an appeal, nor the June 29 ruling still exist. Doesn't the
decision mean that Samsung can just get on with the district court trial without
an injunction in place blocking sales of the Galaxy Nexus?[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 08:00 AM EDT |
what a non-sense, what module supports what heuristics? One implements a system
and has as many modules as needed and uses whatever heuristics as needed? WTF?
Can I patent using at least X modules with Y unique heuristics? I just invented
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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 09:05 AM EDT |
Most federal judges rely on their law clerks, who are lawyers, to do the bulk of
their research for them. Is it possible that one or more of Judge Koh's law
clerks is biased toward Apple in some way? After all, the law clerks are likely
to live in close proximity to the court, which is in close proximity to Apple's
HQ, so one or more of the clerks may know someone who works for Apple and be
injecting some bias into the research that they are doing on Judge Koh's behalf.
I am not saying that it is intentional, just that people's life experiences tend
to bias one's outlook, most of the time without their even being aware that they
are biased.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 09:17 AM EDT |
I violate the patent just by the normal operation of my computer.
"Heuristic refers to experience-based techniques for problem solving,
learning, and discovery." wiki
Everyone, who is not brain dead, uses all kinds of heuristics.
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- But, but... - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 02:43 PM EDT
- But, but.BUT - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 06:00 PM EDT
- But, but.BUT - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 06:03 PM EDT
- Ooops - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 06:15 PM EDT
- Probably refers to heuristic algorithm - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, October 15 2012 @ 10:08 AM EDT
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Authored by: Gringo_ on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 10:56 AM EDT |
Samsung welcomes this reversal by the Federal
Circuit as
yesterday’s decision confirms that the role of
patent law is to protect
innovation and not to unreasonably
stifle competition and restrict consumer
choice. We will
continue to take all appropriate measures to ensure the
availability of our innovative products.
Samsung's website. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: lnuss on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 11:11 AM EDT |
I must be failing to understand some basic principal of patents or
law:
Since neither Apple nor Samsung had anything to do with creating
the Google engine or people, and people are a natural occurrence and the user,
how can they see these as "heuristics" that apply in a patent. After all, it's
the customer (not the company) who chooses these items.
So how could
the court, USPTO, etc. treat these as being used in the
patent?
--- Larry N. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 11:36 AM EDT |
I would like to suggest a topic for an article. I have no idea how much time it
would take to research and write it, but perhaps if people comment, PJ would be
able to judge the amount of interest.
It involves the first Apple v Samsung trial. I think it's understood that
Samsung was crippled by not being able to argue that the design work that led to
the F700 began before the iPhone was released and also some information about
the iPhone design being influenced by "Sony-style." The magistrate
judge didn't allow that because Samsung supposedly didn't file stuff in time. It
seems that either the magistrate judge was very unfair to Samsung (and Judge Koh
didn't fix it) or Samsung's lawyers shot their feet off or some combination of
the two. So, which was it?
Back in July (http://groklawstatic.ibiblio.org/article.php%3fstory=20120726121512518) PJ
said, "Now, I haven't been following this case..." If she has time
now, I would like her to go back and look at what happened. Anyone else?
One possible counter argument (in addition to having too many other things to
do) is that the juror misconduct issue may make the problem moot. If Samsung
gets a new trial due to juror misconduct, it won't really affect anything in the
long run. Presumably Samsung could make the arguments in a new trial. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 11:42 AM EDT |
This record does not permit the inference that the allegedly
infringing features of the Galaxy Nexus drive consumer demand. There is
therefore no need for us to review the district court’s assessment of Apple’s
allegations of irreparable harm. Regardless of the extent to which Apple may be
injured by the sales of the Galaxy Nexus, there is not a sufficient showing that
the harm flows from Samsung’s alleged infringement. Thus, the district court
abused its discretion in determining that the irreparable harm factor counsels
in favor of entering an injunction.
Well, it may not be the most
interesting bit for this litigation, but if it takes on, it means
bye-bye to the blackmail market of preliminary injunctions. That makes it much
less attractive to abuse the slowness of the court system for gaining temporary
advantages in a fast-moving market.
Companies would be forced to negotiate
rather than litigate. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 01:12 PM EDT |
Apple's injunction against the Samsung Galaxy Nexus was implemented on June 29.
The injunction was then stayed on the 6th of July. Now the injunction has been
reversed.
Does this mean that the $95,637,141.60 that Apple put up as a bond to enforce
the injunction has to be given up to Samsung? If so, that makes the 8 day
injunction super expensive at $11,954,642.70 per day.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, October 12 2012 @ 07:10 PM EDT |
I think I may safely opine that when the appeals court tells a
district court judge that she has misunderstood a case and that her reliance on
it is "at best incorrect," it's not good. "At best." Wow.
I think
the appeals court here meant that Apple's reliance on the district
court's error was at best incorrect. This implies to me that they believe Apple
should have pointed out the error instead of taking advantage of it.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 13 2012 @ 02:03 AM EDT |
this site really needs a better commenting system or at least
an update to the current one. I love reading the articles, its
very good when im bored. The commenting system though is
rather difficult to read since i have to click individual
comments to read them. If i were to guess this is like it is
to save space..but to suggest a solution it would be to have a
+ on the main comment to show all the comments in reply to it. You'd get the
best of both worlds and we wouldn't have to
click 20 times to see comments. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 13 2012 @ 06:14 AM EDT |
Dictionary meaning of heuristic - denoting a
rule of thumb for
solving a problem without the exhaustive
application of an
algorithm
How can a heuristic method be patented? Even if it is
patented, how can one violate this? Appears US patent system
is in shambles.
Apple is playing it big time.[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 13 2012 @ 01:28 PM EDT |
Hello, sorry for being off-topic in the main thread, but how
do I write to the FTC about the Google probe - in favor of
Google of course.
Their contact form: http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/contact.shtm
has too many options
Should I be writing just to their antitrust department?
http://www.ftc.gov/bc/bccontact.shtm
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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, October 13 2012 @ 09:59 PM EDT |
The title of the article is, in part, "Appeals Court Rules Samsung Can Sell
Galaxy Nexus During Appeal." The first sentence of the article is,
"The Federal Circuit Court of Appeals has just ruled,
Bloomberg/Businessweek reports, that Samsung can continue to sell the Galaxy
Nexus while the appeal works it way through the courts." I wrote a
correction suggesting "appeal" be chanced to "case" and
wrote this inside, "That's what I think is correct. The appeal is
concluded, isn't it?" I got a one word answer back, "No." Huh?
OK, given that, I've tried to see how there can still be something in this case
being appealed, but I can't see how that can be so. The case management report
(http://www.scribd.com/doc/106457504/Samsung-filing) makes it sound as if the
only thing being appealed was the district court's preliminary injunction
against the Galaxy Nexus. The opinion of the Federal Circuit panel seemed to say
the same thing. A search for the case number at the Federal Circuit's website
doesn't turn up anything that indicates that there was more than the preliminary
injunction and some requests for a temporary stay (granted) and a stay pending
appeal (held in abeyance). Now that the preliminary injunction is reversed and
remanded any stays of it would become meaningless, so I don't see how there can
be anything left.
A search of the Federal Circuit's website for any other appeals
(http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/opinions-orders/0/all/samsung) results in some
appeals related to the other case before Judge Koh (district court cast number
11-CV-1846), but none for this case. So how can there be an ongoing appeal in
this case? Apple could theoretically request an en banc hearing or appeal to the
Supreme Court, but until it happens, it hasn't happened.
What is there that's left now?[ Reply to This | # ]
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