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You'd like to see a retraction? | 751 comments | Create New Account
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You'd like to see a retraction?
Authored by: Wol on Thursday, October 04 2012 @ 04:35 PM EDT
I'd be careful if I were you ... there's a fair few old-timers here who would
agree with the grandparent. Look at my user number!

And while I may agree whole-heartedly with the negative feelings about Mr
Hogan's conduct in the jury room, from reading the transcript of the voir dire I
feel I have to place pretty much ALL the blame on the Judge. Because she did
what she seems to have done all along - rushed things and not bothered to do the
job properly.

I cannot find ANYwhere in the transcript where Hogan behaved differently from
how I expect I would have behaved in the same position. Whether such behaviour
was correct, I won't comment, but his behaviour (from the transcript) seems to
be natural, flowing normally, and in accordance with the agenda set by the
Judge.

Now if you ask me whether that agenda was done properly ...

Cheers,
Wol

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Yes, I'd like to see a retraction
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, October 04 2012 @ 05:02 PM EDT
I'm afraid your characterization of my argument bears little to no resemblance of my actual argument. I am not choosing sides, nor have I generated any of my own assumptions over Mr. Hogan's motives. I even agree with your implied points regarding the purpose of voir dire and the embodiment of law. I'll even concede in advance that Samsung was indeed denied an important opportunity to discover critical information that may have prevented this juror from remaining. My primary point was not regarding any of these matters.

As you stated, "PJ cited facts from the transcript." My primary point is that one of those "facts" does not match the transcript. The discrepancy between the author's version of the story and the actual transcript is significant, because it possibly changes the perception of Hogan's actions here. If Hogan had omitted the Seagate lawsuit in violation of an immediately prior instruction by the judge to list everything, then it's pretty easy to label his actions as deceptive. But based on the actual line of questioning from the transcript, that alleged deception becomes reasonably questionable, as it can now be argued that the voir dire process might have been handled incorrectly by the judge or attorneys. And whether that argument is correct or not, it at least deserves to be heard and considered for proper justice to take place.

I'm all for people questioning the degree to which Hogan fulfilled his judicial responsibility. I just find it frustrating that people are bringing false information to this argument. Several posters at Ars Technica have rebutted others by citing this article, not knowing that the "fact" they are citing is actually falsified by the primary source. So yes, I think a retraction is appropriate so that followers of this story can reasonably debate over actual facts instead of invented ones.

If you think the suggestion of a retraction is out of line, I will definitely consider your arguments against it, though I ask that you please refrain from the condescending sarcasm.

Thank you.

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