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Sure, fair enough
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 20 2012 @ 07:44 AM EDT
But it means that because of that lack of time and increasing complexity people
are becoming more dependend on the supplier (and the technology in a lot of
aspects in daily life) so the trustworthiness of the suppliers becomes more
important.
And the suppliers just want to sell and people just want to buy. Seems there is
no time to do it really right, and the "we can always upgrade" excuse
is not very helpfull.
(Just as Backspace and Delete make people sloppy in typing too in comparison to
old fashioned typewriter usage, but sure it has its convenience)

The dependency on dense technology and EULA's is running out of control. In the
sense it is far beyond peoples grasp
Maybe deliberatly to make people dependend, or runaway market system, who knows
?

And like you say rightly, a lot of people have no time to understand.

But they *do* keep buying it (rat race ?!) for the functions that indeed just
need to work. But they are unaware what it does more behind there backs.

for instance:
I read WEP has been still sold as safe, while known it was not.
Also routers were sold with WPS on, making wpa2 less safe.
On some routers you could switch it of, but secretly it still worked.
General public unaware.

And a lot of time is supposed to be wasted on reading EULA's (well should be
read, most people just agree (oh yeah what ever, click ok) to unread terms) for
every new bit of software you need
(+ its whatever you need to download additionally to just make it work)
"Oh look it works now, Yay!"

Probably not good for the economy but I would be great if people would be
critical about buying things they hardly could understand. "Do I really
need that" ?
But in some cases there is no way around it just like one's own biology and the
universe. Who understands that completely ?

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To be fair...
Authored by: alisonken1 on Thursday, September 20 2012 @ 10:40 AM EDT
Speaking as another Ken, I can say I've been running
slackware since it's SLS days. I don't know about you having
an issue with time, but it only takes me about 30 minutes to
install Slackware when I need to, and the default settings
for Slackware pretty much do what I need it to do.

The added benefit is I don't have to download drivers for my
printers because they're already installed (HP laserjets are
good, supported, and laserjets cost less per page than
inkjets).

For some extra stuff like LibreOffice, installed sbopkg and
I have a one-stop shop for installing most 3rd party stuff I
might need.

Yes, some extra stuff requires some other extra stuff, but
my disk usage is pretty reasonable and I don't have to
reboot for long periods of time.

Oh, and yes, I also have slack on my laptop and use it for
making recordings of church sermons and burning CD's.

It may take a little extra time to set it up, but you don't
always have to upgrade when a new version comes out and it's
a pretty solid setup. I have a previous employer (SMB
electronics store) I setup with slackware version 12.1 and
he's still running strong with it several years later.

---
- Ken -
import std_disclaimer.py
Registered Linux user^W^WJohn Doe #296561
Slackin' since 1993
http://www.slackware.com

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To be fair...
Authored by: PJ on Thursday, September 20 2012 @ 01:06 PM EDT
I am in that same boat. I so miss having
time to try things out.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

I, too, needed for mine to 'just work'
Authored by: mcinsand on Thursday, September 20 2012 @ 04:58 PM EDT
Almost a decade ago, I got sick, tired, and simply fed up with my PC failing to
'just work' several times a day. After getting rid of Windows, though, my PC
stopped being such a headache. Still, I understand some of your time issues
with Slackware. Debian, the 'buntu's, and Fedora are a breeze, and I could
never get a bare-metal Windows system up and running as fast as with one of
those three.

Regards,
mc

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To be fair...
Authored by: tknarr on Thursday, September 20 2012 @ 05:22 PM EDT

What's funny is that while the Windows PC is more likely to "just work" at the start, that changes radically after some use. All the auto-updating cruft that's installed starts to clog things up, and the longer it goes on the harder it gets to clean it up. Eventually something breaks and I need to reinstall, and then it becomes a nightmare. The original image (nobody supplies disks anymore) is so out-of-date it takes a day or two just to get everything installed, and then days to weeks of recovering all my installed software and settings and data. Assuming I can, often I've lost what I need to reinstall and have to buy things over again (more money, more time). The same thing happens when I buy a new system, I waste far more time and money getting everything re-bought and reinstalled and reconfigured than I ever saved in setup.

By contrast the Linux systems may take a bit more to set up the first time, but they stay set up and stable longer. And when it comes time to do a major upgrade or to move to a new machine, saving and restoring my settings and data tends to be a smooth, simple operation. Everything's under my home directory, if I save that off I can restore it and that's 90% of the work done. The rest is a bit of system configuration, printers and the like, all done through the GUI during setup. If I'm paranoid I save /etc, /var and /usr/local and I'm covered. Contrast this to Windows, where half the time you don't know exactly where anything saved it's critical information (I can figure it out, but I'm a techie who's used to grubbing through system internals looking for bits and pieces).

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