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Corrections here
Authored by: SpaceLifeForm on Wednesday, September 19 2012 @ 08:22 PM EDT


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You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.

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Comes docs here
Authored by: SpaceLifeForm on Wednesday, September 19 2012 @ 08:23 PM EDT


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You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.

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OT here
Authored by: SpaceLifeForm on Wednesday, September 19 2012 @ 08:24 PM EDT


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You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.

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News Picks commentary here
Authored by: SpaceLifeForm on Wednesday, September 19 2012 @ 08:25 PM EDT


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Hugs
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 19 2012 @ 09:44 PM EDT

Hope you are feeling better soon PJ.

Wayne
http://madhatter.ca

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prior art
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 19 2012 @ 10:00 PM EDT
maybe the jury got confused thought the prior art was about
the table?

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Unofficial case document summary thread, since PJ is ill
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 19 2012 @ 10:26 PM EDT
PJ, drink, rest, take chicken soup!
MW, Give this an author or re-organize, depending on mood.

(Christenson)

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1973Ex15
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 19 2012 @ 10:30 PM EDT

Apple is arguing that Samsung made their FRAND disclosure late. The sixth point is interesting . . .

22 A Yeah, if we ignore the -- the general
23 declaration, then one could perhaps come to that
24 conclusion.
So Apple is arguing that you must disclose all FRAND patents before the standard is adopted rather than saying some of this standard may be our IP. According to the FTC a general disclosure is what is required before the standard is set.
However, this type of abuse of the hold-up power can be effectively prevented – without compromising confidentiality - by requiring firms involved in developing the standard to make a general ex ante FRAND commitment, i.e. in the early stage of standardization. With such a general commitment the essential patent holder would commit to be bound to (F)RAND in respect of any and all their patents and patent applications they generate that may become essential to the standard.
So basically Apple wants to change the law and standard practice in the tech sector to suit them. Also, how can they argue FRAND as a non-jury issue when the jury specifically ruled against them?

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1973Ex17
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 19 2012 @ 11:17 PM EDT
WARNING: this exhibit describes patent claims in detail

This Exhibit is very interesting. I won't quote it too much since it describes patent claims in detail. After reading this exhibit I would be inclined to believe Apple's Utility patents are invalid or covered by prior art.

'859 patent:
36. In contrast, in my opinion, Apple’s construction is overly broad. Under Apple’s construction, claim 14 encompasses any type of interaction with the on-screen data by the user using two fingers. This goes well beyond what is actually disclosed in the ‘859 specification and is not consistent with the way a person of ordinary skill would have understood the claims after reading the ‘859 specification.
'915 patent:

Convincing arguments that the claims would include devices besides capacitive touch screens. Therefore the Diamond Touch would seem to clearly be prior art. Also several claims seem to be for algorithms, instructions or means without ever defining what those algorithms, instructions or means are. Therefore it would not be clear to someone of ordinary skill in the art. IANAL, but it seems like this makes the patent invalid.

'381:
169. In my opinion, one of ordinary skill in the art in 2007 would not have been able to identify the . . . in the specification of the ‘381 Patent because the specification fails to disclose the corresponding structure for performing this function. Each time the ‘381 Patent refers to this limitation, the patent discusses the functions of the limitation but does not identify or describe the components needed to perform those functions.

There are similar quotations for other claims

Question for the lawyers: if someone of ordinary skill in the art can't tell what exactly is being patented from reading the claims what happens? Does this mean nothing substantial is being asserted? Does this mean the patent is too broad? How can you patent something without actually disclosing the invention?

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1972Ex2
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 19 2012 @ 11:29 PM EDT
Samsung points out a bunch of differences between Design patent '305 and TouchWiz interfaces.

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1972Ex3 vs
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 19 2012 @ 11:34 PM EDT
Warning: Contains some patent claim language.

Samsung's case for the Diamond Touch being prior art. Apple's case that it is not prior art.

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Emergency alert: the Federal Circuit seals again what Koh has unsealed.
Authored by: PolR on Thursday, September 20 2012 @ 01:09 PM EDT
see this on Patently'O.
In an emergency appeal, the Federal Circuit has temporarily reversed Judge Koh's decision and ordered that the exhibits remain sealed until the conclusion of the appeal relating to unsealing of the records. It is an odd appeal in that both parties want the court to seal the documents. Our adversarial appellate system does not work that well when the parties agree with each other but disagree with the judge. At the district court, Reuters News Service intervened to ask the court to unseal the records. However, Reuters has announced that it will not participate in the appeal. The First Amendment Coalition attempted to intervene in the appeal, but that attempt has been denied by the Federal Circuit. Thus, it appears that no one will be arguing the other side.
Is this applicable to the documents posted here? If so I believe they should be removed for the time being.

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