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Oracle v. Google Trial Transcript - Day 2, April 17, 2012 - Google's Opening Statement, Ellison on the Stand ~pj | 158 comments | Create New Account
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Corrections here
Authored by: jplatt39 on Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 01:09 PM EDT

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Off Topic Here
Authored by: jplatt39 on Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 01:11 PM EDT
Also off-tropic. Please make links clickable. Read how in the red text on the
post a comment page. Read the Important stuff at the bottom of that page.
On-topic posts will be ignored.

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News Picks Here
Authored by: jplatt39 on Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 01:17 PM EDT
Please make your title the same as the story you are commenting on.

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Nokia building Android phones?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 01:18 PM EDT
Page 328: "So we looked at the same handset manufacturers
that build for Android. LG, Samsung, Motorola, Nokia, all
those people."

Gosh, even Larry thought Nokia should have been making
Android phones. ;-)

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Comes Here
Authored by: jplatt39 on Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 01:18 PM EDT

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  • 1627 - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 10 2012 @ 01:21 PM EDT
Oracle v. Google Trial Transcript - Day 2, April 17, 2012 - Google's Opening Statement, Ellison on the Stand ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 01:52 PM EDT
Ellison, I've read and heard in a TV bio about him, didn't graduate from either college, which isn't unusual among tech titans. Microsoft's Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. Steve Jobs was a dropout too.
This would seem to be an anomaly largely limited to the world of proprietary tech. Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, Alan Cox, Theo de Raadt, Mark Shuttleworth, Andrew Morton, Ted T'so, Guido van Rossum, Larry Wall, Andrew Tridgell, Jane Silber, and Stormy Peters are just a few of the many Free Software "tech titans" who have completed their university degree programs.

Just sayin' ...

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Does Apple Know About This?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 05:08 PM EDT

A: Yeah, to examine -- when we have an idea, a proposal to build a new product, we put a team of people together that, you know, kind of analyzes what it would cost, how long it would take, what are the market dynamics.

...

Q. They actually looked at the Android system to see what parts of that you at Oracle could use to build your own smart phone, right?

A. That's correct.

Q. And they ran some tests on Android as part of that?

A. Yes.

Q. And they examined this platform that Android entailed, right?

A. Yeah.

Oracle did a detailed analysis on Android to see how to produce a competing system. Samsung ran tests on Apple's iPhone for the same reason. My background is in the automotive industry, and this is absolutely standard practice in designing automobiles and automotive parts as well.

Anyone who doesn't thinks that all companies tear apart their competitor's products and analyze them knows absolutely nothing about product design. The people who are "surprised" that Samsung did detailed analyses of Apple's iPhone (and no doubt those from other companies as well) are only revealing their own lack of knowledge or experience.

In this case, Ellison is effectively stating that he saw Android as a serious player in the smart phone field, and that he felt that any Oracle product would have to be at least as good as Android. When you consider that Oracle had no experience in the consumer software field, their chances of success were probably pretty poor. You can threaten and abuse locked-in "enterprise" customers, but that approach doesn't work well with consumers who can easily switch between competing products. I'm not entirely convinced that Oracle were serious about coming out with their own smart phone OS. It's pretty far from their core business.

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Sigh. Transcripts of the video depositions would have been nice.
Authored by: mirrorslap on Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 10:14 PM EDT
I *really* wish that the court reporters had typed the transcripts for the video

depositions, because the PUNCH of the direct contradictions of Larry Ellison on

the stand versus Larry Ellison's video deposition as demonstrated by Mr. Van
Nest was simply amazing, and I think devastating to Mr. Ellison's credibility
with
the jury.

On the other hand, the court reporter's fingers must have been smoking, so they

no doubt appreciated the break.

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Spring that Ellison refers to
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 10:53 PM EDT
Is he talking about SpringSource? He claims Spring does not use Java APIs,
but
I don't think that could possibly be accurate, based on my technical
understanding of the framework. I'm curious if he's FOS or talking about a
different company/product.

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You can sure tell that Alsup is a coder
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 09 2012 @ 11:36 PM EDT
He lets things that are close slide, maybe, but he tell you the exact, right way
to do things in court. He never misses a reply when the Judge needs to speak.
He stays on top of the testimony. He explains things to each witness the same
way, every time. Never a dropped stitch, and he expects counsel to be the same
way. Just the type of traits you need to do code well. Or law, apparently.

-- Alma

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"The media totally missed the beauty of what he did"
Authored by: TennSeven on Monday, September 10 2012 @ 02:00 AM EDT
It must have been because the statement was made after Judge
Alsup ordered everyone to stop typing. :P

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Oracle vs opensource
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 10 2012 @ 08:03 AM EDT
<blockquote>
Q. Right. So this was not going to be open source. You were going to charge the
carriers for this product?

A. No. Open source and charging have nothing to do with one another. It was
going to be open sourced.
</blockquote>

Ha ha, larry claiming their project would have been open source, I believe him
right away!

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Was Ellison an expert witness?
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 10 2012 @ 02:28 PM EDT
The beginning of Ellison's testimony consists of him explaining to the jury what
java is, and the difference between the programming language and the runtime
environment, and how java works. Shouldn't this be the material for a subject
matter expert witness, and not the CEO of the company that bought the company
that created java? Shouldn't Google's lawyers have objected that he was not an
expert witness, but rather a fact witness? Or at least they should have asked hm
on cross examination whether he had anything to do with the creation of java and
if he had ever actually programmed in it?

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A simple question ..
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 10 2012 @ 05:47 PM EDT
Can you copyright an API?

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Remarks made at JavaOne in 2009 ..
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, September 10 2012 @ 05:53 PM EDT
Scott McNealy: "Is the community going to be dissolved? Are, uh — are, uh, we going to close the technology up? What’s going to happen?"

Larry Ellison: "Yeah, well-well, clearly, uh, if you’re curious about what’s going to happen in the future, I think you have to look to the past. Sun, uh, you know, — you know, James, Sun, has done a fantastic job, uh, devel — invent-inventing Java, uh, expanding Java, opening up Java, giving Java to the world. And we’re going to do more of the same." link

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