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Do Oracle's lawyers (or any lawyers) even care? | 228 comments | Create New Account
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Corrections thread
Authored by: nsomos on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 10:31 PM EDT
Please post corrections in this thread.
A summary in the title may be helpful.
Check against originals before offering any corrections to PDFs.

Thanks

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Off Topic Here
Authored by: SilverWave on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 10:42 PM EDT
:-)

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RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions

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News Picks Here
Authored by: SilverWave on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 10:43 PM EDT
:-P

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RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions

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Comes Stuff Here
Authored by: SilverWave on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 10:43 PM EDT
:-|

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RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions

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Oracle Must Pay Google $1,130,350 in Costs; Drops the "Reveal Your Shills" Issue ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 10:50 PM EDT
Ha, ha, chew on *that*, Larry. I can just imagine him seething
as he strokes his cat (as all evil "geniuses" are wont to do).
I don't normally engage in Schadenfreude but I'll make an
exception in this case.

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Oracle Must Pay Google $1,130,350 in Costs; Drops the "Reveal Your Shills" Issue ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 10:52 PM EDT
About 1/10th the cost of mast for a single boat. A trivial amount.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/10M-Mast-Breaks-on-Ellisons-Boat-69152032.h
tml

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1202 is 404
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 10:57 PM EDT
Too bad, I wanted to read it. I think PJ may be reading too
much into the fact that the judge chose this order to
mention that there'd be no more "show me your shills" orders.
I suppose he could issue a one-sentence declaration all by
itself, but I don't think it's a big deal that he attached a
statement to another order instead. It doesn't really fit
completely with either of today's two orders, but if I had to
choose one of the two, I'd have made the same choice.

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Oracle Must Pay Google $1,130,350 in Costs; Drops the "Reveal Your Shills" Issue ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 11:02 PM EDT
Sad about the reasoning for denying the e-discovery costs. It sounds to me like
the discovery effort was basically treated as a development project and hence
described as such in the line items. Next time maybe google will hire clerks to
print out everything and manually produce the discovery, resulting in more
recoverable-sounding costs but at much much greater expense.

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Oracle Must Pay Google $1,130,350 in Costs; Drops the "Reveal Your Shills" Issue ~pj
Authored by: symbolset on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 11:06 PM EDT
Hooray. One more step toward the inevitable appeals, but the court gives Oracle
a good talking to.

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Eating crow
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 05 2012 @ 02:36 AM EDT
So how many "I got it wrong again" feathers does Florian Mueller have?
Or for that
matter does he really care.

/me has lost count.

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Google bashing is allowed - Oracle bashing is not
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 05 2012 @ 08:20 AM EDT
As an experiment I have tried to get some trade journals to
link to or mention this story - so far to no avail. However if
a story mentions Google in some less than favorable way it
gets written immediately.

Do others have the same kind of experiences?

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Do Oracle's lawyers (or any lawyers) even care?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 05 2012 @ 10:39 AM EDT
OK, Alsup said wrote some pretty harsh things about Oracle's
claims, and by extension, their legal team.

But do the lawyers care? Or do they explain it away as
"we were doing our level best for the client" and "law means
using every means at our disposal".

I can see that a critical statement by the judge could even
be seen (by potential new clients) as a reason TO go to
Oracle's law firm, just because of this "overreaching".

Do the judges words matter to the law firm being criticized?

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Oracle Must Pay Google $1,130,350 in Costs; Drops the "Reveal Your Shills" Issue ~pj
Authored by: cjk fossman on Thursday, September 06 2012 @ 08:20 AM EDT
I get how it's supposed to work.

My *buntu box has Unity, XFCE and KDE. They do not behave
the same. KDE (I think it's 4.4 or 4.5), for example,
forgets the display arrangement between power on sessions.
The XFCE display manager doesn't even recognize the second
display.

So I think my original question is legitimate.

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  • Xorg etc - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 06 2012 @ 09:48 AM EDT
Does not "crafted overreaching claims" Equal FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, September 06 2012 @ 12:23 PM EDT
Are we EVER Going to see the Requisite Sanctions that are Supposed to come with the "F" Word?
I hope a quote from The California Ethics Rules is allowable.
Cornell Law 3.1:101 Model Rule Comparison MR 3.1 sets forth fundamentals with respect to a lawyer's taking a legal position on behalf of any client. At a minimum, the lawyer needs (1) a non-frivolous basis and (2) a good faith argument for any proposed change in the law. (One exception to these fundamentals applies, as discussed below). This rule describes the boundary between zealous representation and abuse of legal procedure. The MR 3.1 Official Comment recognizes that the boundary cannot be a "bright-line," due to the murky and ever-changing requirements of the law. A California lawyer may maintain only such actions as are "legal or just," except when defending criminal actions, see B&PC � 6068(c), and "must not encourage either the commencement or continuance of an action or proceeding for any corrupt motive of passion or interest." CRPC 3-200 precludes a lawyer from accepting or continuing employment if he "knows or should know" that the object of employment is either (1) to bring an action, conduct a defense, assert a position, or take an appeal "without probable cause and for the purpose of harassing or maliciously injuring any person," or (2) to present a claim or defense "not warranted by existing law, unless it can be supported by a good faith argument for an extension, modification or reversal of existing law."

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