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Apple v Samsung Foreman Gets More Things Wrong ~pj | 307 comments | Create New Account
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Apple v Samsung Foreman Gets More Things Wrong ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 05 2012 @ 01:04 PM EDT
"Whether a patent should ever have issued is the question when deciding if
there
is or is not prior art and also whether or not the patent is obvious, because if

there is prior art, the patent should not have issued and ditto with obvious.
That
is a central role of the jury, and they failed." is an entirely different
question than
whether the jury has the authority to question the patent office's ability to
grant
design patents *at all*

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Apple v Samsung Foreman Gets More Things Wrong ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 05 2012 @ 03:05 PM EDT

There are basically three things that have to happen for a defendant to be liable for patent infringement.

  1. The patent must cover patentable subject matter.
  2. The patent must be novel, useful, non-obvious, and so on.
  3. The alleged infringing device has to practice the patent claims.

The first of these three, patentable subject matter, is a question of law and was not given to the jury. The other two are questions of fact and were given to the jury. This is reflected on the juror instructions, where you will note there is no question concerning whether or not the patents involved patentable subect matter.

The foreman was interpreting the Gizmodo question as asking whether or not the jury considered whether the patent covered patentable subject matter, and he correctly answered that it was not their role to do so.

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Apple v Samsung Foreman Gets More Things Wrong ~pj
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 05 2012 @ 03:54 PM EDT
Since PJ claimed that the form expressly asked them to determine whether or not
the patents in question should have been issued, could someone please give me a
page number? I've scanned it twice now, and I can't seem to find that
question.

While you're at it, can you provide a reference for it's location in the jury
instructions as well?

I'm not sure whether I'm misunderstanding PJ's claim, or if she's simply
overstating something in her enthusiasm.

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Both Wrong?
Authored by: starsky on Wednesday, September 05 2012 @ 05:53 PM EDT
I think he was correct in his response that it wasn't the jury's role to
determine what is and is not patentable but to assess validity under the law as
it stands (which they did very poorly beacause of his interchangeble goof)

PJ - Are you saying a jury could choose to invalidate Software patents at trial
just because they don't think software patents are fair?



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  • Both Wrong? - Authored by: PJ on Wednesday, September 05 2012 @ 06:10 PM EDT
    • Both Wrong? - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 05 2012 @ 10:11 PM EDT
  • Both Wrong? - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, September 05 2012 @ 09:26 PM EDT
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