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Is this vagueness a legal standard? | 129 comments | Create New Account
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What I suspect they mean is....
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 11:30 AM EDT
"As per our previous complaint, we allege iOS infringes our
patent, specifically in the Notification Center.

At the time we filed our complaint, we were aware that
Mountain Lion was planning to "integrate" certain aspects
from iOS into OSX, potentially including the Notification
Center. However, as it wasn't released, we couldn't point
to any specific feature within Mountain Lion and claim "that
infringes," which is the legal standard.

Now that we have a copy of the actual software, we know what
specifically we can claim is infringing. So now that we can
meet that legal burden, we want to pursue those claims."

IMO, whatever you think of Interval, this seems like a
pretty solid legal argument. They're arguing they need to
amend to include new claims they couldn't have reasonably
been able to allege with sufficient specificity previously.
And they make a decent case that the prejudice to Apple is
small (especially compared to a separate lawsuit on OSX,
which I think Interval is correct to claim they're entitled
to file if they don't get this relief from the court).

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It couldn't be clearer
Authored by: Ian Al on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 11:48 AM EDT
Obviously, you just have to look at the Interval useful utility inventions that only appear in the very latest Apple OS and not at all in any of the previous versions of OSX and its predecessor OS on the NeXT computers.

Now I think about it, that's not very likely, is it? Meaningless gobbledegook dressed up as inventions that have to be bent totally out of shape to fit Mountain Lion, but for which the same special pleading rules it out entirely and completely for any previous OS by Apple or any other OS maker.

In a way that does not show that OS as having that feature pre-dating the patented Interval invention. Without having the source code and comments that can only become available for your fishing trip during discovery.

Come to think of it, I can't wait to see the expert report on how Interval managed not to stumble when achieving this fine forensic study:
The Local Patent Rules require a detailed mapping of an accused product's features to the asserted patent claims. See Local Patent Rule 120. Without an actual copy of OS X, Interval could not have conducted a thorough investigation of OS X’s features in light of the patent claims and therefore could not have disclosed the necessary details of OS X’s infringing features as required under the Local Patent Rules.
So, let's have it, you clever Interval folk: show us how you failed to discover the inventions in all the previous OS versions, but suddenly discovered it last summer in Mountain Lion.

Or perhaps you lied because there was no other way that you could meet Local Patent Rule 120 and that would prevent you accusing Apple. You will get found out, you know. Groklaw will analyse your every claim and show that it is to be found in every OS back to the year dot.

Bring it on, pond scum!

---
Regards
Ian Al
Software Patents: It's the disclosed functions in the patent, stupid!

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Is this vagueness a legal standard?
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 04:13 PM EDT
What does it mean to "examine in detail" when all they have is a binary copy.
It means that it might take a little longer than sixteen days to comb thru all the source code to see what's going on, provided the infringing details are in the publicly available source code . This document is intentionally vague because they do not need to waste time and space on specific details. They are simply asking for permission to add MacOS 10.8 to the list of alleged infringing products, and if it is allowed to be so added they will provide full details. This document is also a warning to all concerned that if MacOS 10.8 is not added to the list then a separate lawsuit will follow.

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My interpretation - tongue in cheek applied
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 04:26 PM EDT

    The USPTO allowed us to patent this vague invention. As a result, we can only vaguely point to where it is vaguely implemented in an infringing product. If we were to point to a specific implementation it would inherently not meet the criteria of our vague patent.
:)

RAS

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Details, details, details ... (n/t)
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, September 04 2012 @ 07:27 PM EDT
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