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Hogans run?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 02 2012 @ 04:15 AM EDT
In some sense i feel sorry for him. If that was the high point what must his not
have been like. Poor guy.

Travestying "Lotta Svärd" by Runeberg:

Något tålte han ömkas ändå, men mera att skrattas åt.

If you like poetry I would recommend Runeberg. An early 19th century poet from
Finland writing in Swedish.
I suppose that he is translated to English. If he isn't it is a great shame. But
also a reason to learn Swedish.

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Apple v. Samsung jury foreman: only the 'court of popular opinion' can change the patent system
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 02 2012 @ 05:50 AM EDT
Lets turn out the lights and see if you can still tell them apart..

I guess the public owning the rights and defending that position against invalid
patents never came up either. The public are "whoever" right?

Keep talking.. Please..

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Another admission of jury transgression.
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, September 02 2012 @ 10:36 AM EDT
Hogan said he was one of a pair of jurors that served as the de facto technical experts of the nine-person panel.

The more he talks, the worse it looks. Now he has confirmed that he acted as a technical expert to the panel.

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Quite the publicity tour he's on.
Authored by: artp on Sunday, September 02 2012 @ 12:18 PM EDT

I wonder if he is selling T-shirts in the lobby?

The more I hear from him, the less I am impressed. The more I hear, the more I worry about the state of US justice. Sure, this is just one trial, but it matches the one time I was in a courtroom on personal business.

This guy was on a personal vendetta to preserve his own bragging rights for his patent. His one patent. That is inactive because he hasn't kept up the license fees. He was thinking of himself, not the trial. He does seem to be enjoying getting into the public debate on the subject of patents. He is now a one day wonder.

I stand by my statements here in the third comment down of PJ's article "The Foreman's Aha Moment in Apple v. Samsung Was Based on Misunderstanding Prior Art ~pj - Updated".

He manipulated the jury by keeping things moving when they weren't reaching the conclusions he wanted. We'll come back to it, he said. He allowed no depth of discussion, which is required for a group consensus to emerge. There was a 20- year-old jury member who was asking questions. The foreman "applauded" his actions, but sure didn't let those questions stand if he kept the jury moving. If there are basic disagreements, then you are going to have to work through the controversy to get to the agreement. There is no other way to do it. The disagreement has to be defined, faced, discussed, aligned and resolved.

From Emily Changs' interview with Hogan, featured in PJ's article referenced above:

"We're going to, if we find a debate like this, we'll move on."

So he didn't allow debate. He didn't allow open discussion. But in the current interview, he says:

"I try to be as objective about it as I can... I tell you it doesn't bother me, but what does bother me is the fact that the position that that's coming from sounds like sour grapes. So, it didn't come out the way you wanted it to — and oh by the way, you didn't even sit on the jury, you didn't sit in the courtroom, you didn't hear all the evidence, but you're making judgements that the process failed."

Stressing that the jury used "the rules for today" in coming up with its verdict, Hogan noted that a vigorous public discussion was actually the appropriate place to air grievances — and create change. "I believe it's through fair and heated debate and the use of logic that if a philosophy is wrong — such as the Patent and Trademark Office, as many are saying it's sick, or it's broken — if that is the case then it's the court of popular opinion that makes the change," Hogan said. "I applaud the debate," he emphasized, noting that it was only with a clear consensus that the system could be modified effectively.

Let's face it, most engineers are poor at communications and facilitating groups. Engineering projects are usually fairly inbred, so we tend to use techniques that work fine with engineers and engineering projects, but that don't scale well to the general population and general problems. We are charged with finding a solution that works, not with finding out what really happened. If we don't like the answer, we can always redefine the question. I've done it many times myself. Many solutions can fit an engineering problem. There is not as much leeway available in a courtroom.

Group dynamics can be a challenging task to manage. Herding cats is probably the best description of the difficulty level of some projects. It seems that Mr. Hogan found himself a very cooperative herd of cats in this jury.

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