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It is a Samsung patent...
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, August 29 2012 @ 10:06 AM EDT
for sending an email. Valid prior art it seems to me.

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I wondered about 460...
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, August 29 2012 @ 10:10 AM EDT
The foreman thought that if he could defend a patent as his own, then the patent
is valid. Also he said that he tried all patents, either Samsung's or Apple's,
in this case with this idea.
You may think that since he did it for samsung's patents as well, so it is fair.
However, Samsung and Apple had completely different strategies to defend.
Apple tried to claim that they didn't infringe Samsung's patents, so it doesn't
matter too much if the foreman upheld Samsung's patents in a wrong way. On the
other hand, Samsung tried to claim that Apple's patents were invalid. Then the
foreman's role playing method is very problematic.

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I wondered about 460...
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, August 29 2012 @ 10:22 AM EDT
dio gratia made this post on the previous discussion:
Authored by: dio gratia on Wednesday, August 29 2012 @ 08:31 AM EDT

Wasn't the 460 patent Samsung's? Amended verdict Docket Item 1931, Items 24, 25, 26. (U.S. Patent No. 7,577,460 (the “‘460 patent”) Docket Item 80, III. COUNTERCLAIMS, PDF Page 35, line 2. "Portable composite communication terminal for transmitting/receiving and images, and operation method and communication system thereof". From the patent:

What is claimed is:

1. A data transmitting method for a portable composite communication terminal which functions as both a portable phone and a camera, comprising the steps of: entering a first E-mail transmission sub-mode upon user request for E-mail transmission while operating in a portable phone mode, the first e-mail transmission sub-mode performing a portable phone function; entering a second E-mail transmission sub-mode upon user request for E-mail transmission while operating in a display sub-mode, the second e-mail transmission sub-mode displaying an image most recently captured in a camera mode; sequentially displaying other images stored in a memory through the use of scroll keys; transmitting the address of the other party and a message received through a user interface in the first E-mail transmission sub-mode; and transmitting the address of the other party and the message received through the user interface and the image displayed on the display as an E-mail in the second E-mail transmission sub-mode.

I have no experience with email on an iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch but Mail 5.2 under OS X Lion (10.7.3) has a photo browser button which has a Photo Booth sub menu item (that sub-mode thing) you can use to take a picture. The photo browser also makes your previously saved pictures available (your Pictures directory (folder) found in your home directory (folder)).

You'd need to read the patent to 'get' it (see Figure 7 and the Detailed Description of the Preferred Embodiment), I can easily imagine Apple would be violating this claim. It appears to on a Macbook, though you might question if it is a "portable composite communication terminal which functions as both a portable phone and a camera", It has a front facing camera that operates with the Mail app, and I can use it as a portable phone (including video phone) with Google Voice and Video, Microsoft's Skype or Apple's FaceTime).

Without seeing transcripts, testimony and exhibits I have a hard time seeing how a non Apple owner/user as Mr. Hogan professed to be would be able to properly form an opinion on whether or not Apple practiced the claim or prior art was applicable from personal knowledge. (And yes I read Mr. Hogan's patent).

The '460 instruction is mentioned in Final Jury Instruction 27 (Docket Item 1901, Page 40, Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. et al, Justia - not currently available on Groklaw):

If you decide that an accused Samsung product does not literally infringe an asserted Apple utility patent claim, you must then decide whether that product infringes the asserted claim under what is called the “doctrine of equivalents.” If you decide that an accused Apple product or method does not literally infringe claim 1 of Samsung’s ’460 patent, you must then decide whether that product or method infringes the asserted claim under what is called the “doctrine of equivalents.”

Under the doctrine of equivalents, the product or method can infringe an asserted utility patent claim if it includes parts or software instructions that are identical or equivalent to the requirements of the claim. If the product or method lacks a part or software instructions that is identical or equivalent to even one requirement of the asserted utility patent claim, the product or method cannot infringe the claim under the doctrine of equivalents. Thus, in making your decision under the doctrine of equivalents, you must look at each individual requirement of the asserted utility patent claim and decide whether the product or method has either a part or software instructions that are identical or equivalent to that individual claim requirement. ...

Jury Instruction 28 places limits on 'comprising' in the claim. Nothing in Mr. Hogan's interview or comments in the press seems to support the following of this particular instruction, the question of patent validity doesn't appear to have been put to the jury. Patent validity is a matter of law, isn't it? You might easily form the impression that three days wasn't enough time to perform their duty as outlined in the jury instructions in particular with the apparent segue here and there.

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