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XFCE to be Debian 7 default?
Authored by: mbouckaert on Wednesday, August 08 2012 @ 08:02 PM EDT
I see both Gnome and KDE acting as if they wanted to be as
similar to Apple / Windows7 as possible.

I originally thought it was to try to piggyback on habits of
prospective customers. For Gnome3 I have doubts about that;
it's more like Unity and Windows8 are chasing the same
(wrong) set of ideas.

But I begin to believe that it is more mimicking of the
Apple closed-environment approach -- capture and lock in.
Cannot do with FOSS? Can do at the fringes and with data. I
am wary about the services offered "by default", like
UbuntuOne and the large-attachment-dropbox of Thunderbird.

To teach Linux users to trust some big-service-in-the-sky,
BY DEFAULT, is not the kind of greased slope I like to be
on.

---
bck

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XFCE to be Debian 7 default?
Authored by: luvr on Thursday, August 09 2012 @ 02:26 PM EDT
Sounds like a great idea to me!

I'm seriously considering switching to “Plain Old” Debian once version 7 is released (assuming, of course, that it works well enough for me). I'm also getting more and more attracted to XFCE, since GNOME no longer cuts it for me, and I'm not particularly thrilled about Unity on the desktop either. I could live with KDE 4, but that comes with too much bloat to my liking.

I, for one, would be more than happy with Debian 7 and XFCE!

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XFCE to be Debian 7 default?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, August 09 2012 @ 04:47 PM EDT

The Wikipedia web logs are probably a reasonable source for popularity of various desktop Linux distros. The top half dozen distros are:

  1. Ubuntu
  2. Fedora
  3. Suse
  4. Debian
  5. Mint
  6. Mandriva

The data lists 19 different distros (or distro flavours). Ubuntu accounts for 90% of the total. Fedora accounts for approximately 2.5%, and Suse for about 2.4%, Debian at 1.5%, and Mint and Mandriva both at about 1%.

Kubuntu (KDE version of Ubuntu) on the other hand is 0.5%, and Xbuntu (XFCE version of Ubuntu) is 0.003%. Note that these numbers aren't percentage of total users, these are percentages of Linux users.

We know from other sources (Canonical's own analysis) that the vast majority of Ubuntu users either run the latest version, or the latest LTS version (with more preferring the latest version over the LTS). That means we can assume that most of those Ubuntu users are running a fairly recent version of Ubuntu with Unity.

In other words, the top two distros are the ones that come with the supposedly much hated Unity and Gnome 3 as the default desktops, and account for well over 90% of the Linux desktop user base. To put it another way, if we just look at Ubuntu, there are 33,000 times as many people who seem to prefer the Unity version than seem to prefer the XFCE version.

It's also worth noting that despite all the "social media" promotion done by Mint, they're only about 1% of the Linux user base, or about the same as Mandriva (and less than Debian). So, it appears that there is no mass defection to the Cinnamon or Mate desktops either.

It would seem that all the happy XFCE users are a very tiny minority of Linux users, and that for every one of them there are 33,000 happy Unity users. If you happen to prefer XFCE, well that's fine. That's why we have choice. Just don't expect everyone else to be following you.

In conclusion, I wouldn't expect Debian offering XFCE as the default to result in any increase in its popularity. In fact from the numbers above, it appears that they would be better off offering a version of Unity.

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