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Sigh. We're still coming out of a mini ice age. | 189 comments | Create New Account
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Sigh. We're still coming out of a mini ice age.
Authored by: Wol on Monday, July 30 2012 @ 07:05 PM EDT
Hmm... I'll point you to what I can.

Firstly, I'm old enough to remember the scorching summer of '76. Yet a few short
years later, in the 80s, I remember being surprised to discover 76 was falling
out of the top ten! I've followed that ever since, with repeated record breaking
summers. I can't point you where to find the data, I just know that's what it'll
tell you if you can find it, because I've followed it over the years.

Sliding into a mini ice age - again, I can't point at any evidence, I just
remember some studies of "anomalous results" of the 40s and 50s that
concluded that the expected drop in temperature was cancelled by global warming
and once you took BOTH phenomena into account it actually accounted for the data
pretty well.

Ice cores - again it's just a strong interest where I've been following things.
You can make a pretty accurate determination of global temperature by comparing
the ratios of oxygen and hydrogen isotopes in the ice. And while it's just
"a nice story", I have a tenuous connection with this, and how you get
strange results ...

A few years before I was born, my school sent a scientific expedition to survey
a mini-ice-sheet. They concluded (this is the mid fifties) that the ice sheet
was growing. Then, a few years after I left school, another team repeated the
expedition in the 80s, wondering why the previous team had come back with what
seemed to 80s eyes to be a weird result.

It turned out that the ice had been shrinking for years - the ice core showed
the steady shrinkage. But it also showed the "tree ring" for the year
of the previous expedition was abnormally large - the 50s expedition was correct
that the sheet was growing when they surveyed it, but that just turned out to be
a one-off that year.

So sorry, it's very hard for me to give you much hard data, but you can see I
have been following this story for DECADES. And personal experience tells me
global warming is real.

Oh - one last point - if anyone tells you "mankind can't affect the
climate" - I'll just give you one date. 9/11. The weather CHANGED
SIGNIFICANTLY during the following no-fly era. It returned to "normal"
after planes started flying again.

Cheers,
Wol

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Sigh. We're still coming out of a mini ice age.
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 30 2012 @ 08:21 PM EDT
Lots of information at http://www.skepticalscience.com/


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