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I feel I need to make this point clearer.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 20 2012 @ 11:23 AM EDT
"It couldn't create new documents before."

*YES* *IT* *COULD!*

That ability is baked into the hardware that talks to the hdds. *That* is what
lets it write data to persistant storage. Nothing in software will change
that.


Software is not magic.
It is a list of instructions.
Nothing more.

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I feel I need to make this point clearer.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 20 2012 @ 12:15 PM EDT
And here's an interesting question for you: What is your definition of a
"document"?

It can't just be a file that contains data in a format, because that is
certainly possible for a computer to create without any specific piece of
software.


You really need to start being clearer, because you don't sound like you
actually know what you're talking about.

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It could always create new documents.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 20 2012 @ 06:17 PM EDT
Was sold for that purpose, in fact.

You really aren't getting this, are you? I think a lot of people don't
understand that the entirety of software was anticipated by the mathematicians
who invented the Turing Machine, the Von Neumann Machine, etc. *ALL OF IT*.

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I feel I need to make this point clearer.
Authored by: dio gratia on Monday, July 23 2012 @ 09:24 PM EDT

document:

3: a computer file containing information input by a computer user and usually created with an application (as a word processor)
Note usually does not preclude other methods. If you were to look to the origins of word processing you would find that formatting was added text constructs originally seen as extensions to or replacements for ASCII format effectors, as in NROFF/TROFF or LaTeX and it's precursors. What You See Is What You Get (WYSIWYG) editing became widely popular with Microsoft Office (and one early Office version shared common bugs with some ms (manuscript) macros from TROFF such as the third field alignment in the footer macro, showing a bit of plagarism despite being hidden by non-printing characters). Office being simpler to use than other typesetting WYSIWYG editors and addressing the common needs.

To this day man pages using the man macros are likely still written by hand. There are those of us stubborn enough to use 'cat' or 'echo' with appending redirection before using default editors we find distasteful avoiding re-hosting editors of choice for simple jobs.

You could contemplate that binary formats create the need for word processors, when otherwise the formats would be readily apparent and subject to third part interpretation.

You could also contemplate people writing HTML by hand such as in this comment, HTML having common roots with LaTeX precursors.

The same people capable of writing interpreters for text format directives seem to have no trouble writing binary format interpreters. The difficulty lies in reading them without display tools that will report binary values in a readable form not subject to text format effector misinterpretation.

Electronic document formats existed before Microsoft Office and before WYSIWYG.

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