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It's a trap .... in my own mind apparently!
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, July 11 2012 @ 05:23 PM EDT

To be absolutely sure: IANAL!

My apologies. I was thinking about a different thread - which you may or may not have authored - while I responded to yours and realize now that I've conflated the two.

Now searching through the threads I find I can't find it. I know I'm fighting the flu but I don't think it's caused me to hallucinate before.

There was suggestion - I swear I read it earlier but can no longer be sure - at some point that "inventive concept" only applies as a measurement against "Laws of Nature". It was to that suggestion that I was responding.

With such a suggestion, having the Supreme's mention a lack of inventive concept relative to the process of "using a computer to perform X" is where the logical fallacy would appear.

To clarify my perspective based on what I quite possibly imagined:

If "inventive concept" is only applied to "Laws Of Nature", then since the Supreme's applied it in the context of "using a computer to perform X", software as applied to a computer must - by definition - be a Law Of Nature and therefore unpatentable.

On the other hand, if "using a computer to perform X" is not a "Law Of Nature", then "inventive concept" must be applied to more then just "Laws Of Nature.

I think we can consider the above to be a non-issue and can draw a line here. The above is only to try and clarify where my thoughts originated and why the conclusion was drawn.


With regards the quote from the ruling and Judge Prost's position - relative to you stating she doesn't have a clue - I think it still holds value from the perspective:
    If the Supreme's view "inventive concept" must be examined as part of what makes something eligible for Patent Protection
then
    Judge Prost does have a valid point for raising it even though the plaintiff/defendent may not have mentioned those exact words when bringing up the patent eligibility/ineligibility.

On the point you made:
    If the issue is not before the Court, the Court need not evaluate it!
I think that point is best answered with:

Slander of Title carries (in some jurisdictions) certain elements:

  1. the uttering and publishing of disaparaging words
  2. they were false
  3. they were malicious
  4. special damages were sustained
  5. the plaintiff possessed an estate or interest in the property disparaged
  6. the loss of a specific sale
Now, let's say neither the plaintiff or defendant raise point 2: that the words were false.

Are you really suggesting the Court is ok to proceed with not evaluating one of the key elements that are required?

I think it's best to say:

    When it's a Requirement of Law and neither side has raised it, then the Court still has a responsibility to evaluate it.
While:
    If it's a point not required by Law and neither side has raised it, it's up to the discretion of the Court whether or not the Court wishes to examine the point.
At the moment that makes sense..... I'll let you know once the flu is gone and I can re-read this with a clear head.

RAS

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The Supremes may disagree with you
Authored by: Wol on Thursday, July 12 2012 @ 05:44 PM EDT
imho, (1) describes reality, it describes what is happening.

As such, it CANNOT be a law of nature. A law of nature is an abstract concept,
like "CH4 + 2O2 = CO2 + 2H2O". What actually happens when you burn
methane is a lot more complicated, and it is this description of what actually
happens that goes in a patent application.

Basically, what SHOULD happen, in THEORY, is NOT patentable.

What DOES happen, in PRACTICE, IS patentable.

And that's why software is not patentable, because software is theory and ALWAYS
works PERFECTLY (when taken in isolation). When software fails, it is either (a)
it did exactly what it should but not what it was meant to, or (b) it was
corrupted by a hardware failure.

Cheers,
Wol

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