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Samsung wins again in UK against Apple - because its not as cool! | 83 comments | Create New Account
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Samsung wins again in UK against Apple - because its not as cool!
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, July 09 2012 @ 02:50 PM EDT
Is that really the level law cases have descended to these days ?

Apple: Samsung stole our designs !

Samsung: did not !

Judge: Samsung is not as cool as Apple, case dismissed.

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Samsung wins again in UK against Apple - because its not as cool!
Authored by: jmc on Monday, July 09 2012 @ 03:26 PM EDT
Might be worth mentioning that this was in the "Patents County Court"
not the High Court (despite what the BBC says). This is for more minor cases
than the High Court and the decisions aren't really binding.

The case will have to go to appeal for a binding result which undoubtedly Apple
will do.

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Samsung wins again in UK against Apple - because its not as cool!
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, July 10 2012 @ 05:44 AM EDT
This judge's use of logic is peccable. This is the same clever man that said, in Re Halliburton Energy Services (my bold)

"21. In my judgment the skilled reader would understand perfectly well that the simulations referred to in claim 1 are computer simulations from reading the specification as a whole. I also note that the simulations being "computer simulations" is expressly referred to from p21 line 30 - p24 line 23 in the specification. Moreover the reader would understand that "outputting" to a "resource" is something computers do, not people. Accordingly I find that claim 1 (and its brethren) are limited to carrying out the simulations on a computer. They are computer implemented methods. "

And then,

71. That does not mean it is necessarily immune from the computer program exclusion but that is a different matter. Is it more than a computer program as such? The answer is plainly yes. It is a method of designing a drill bit. Such methods are not excluded from patentability by Art 52/s1(2) and the contribution does not fall solely within the excluded territory. Drill bit design is not a business method, nor a scheme for playing a game nor (as I have held) is this claim a scheme for performing a mental act.

72. Mr Mitcheson did submit that the method was a mathematical method. I note that Mr Thorpe did not think so. No Respondent's Notice was filed but Mr Davis was content to deal with the point in any event. I agree with Mr Thorpe. Although obviously some mathematics is involved, the contribution is not solely a mathematical method (on top of being a computer program) because the data on which the mathematics is performed has been specified in the claim in such a way as to represent something concrete (a drill bit design etc.). That is an important difference between the position in Gale and the position here. In Gale the claim was broadly drafted and it was nothing more than a mathematical method implemented on a computer.

So, a computer simulation is acknowledged as being a computer implemented method for designing a drill bit, limited to carrying out simulations on a computer, yet it is more than a computer program? Perhaps someone can explain that to me because I just don't understand it.

And he says that a drill bit design is concrete, so that makes this "invention" patentable. Again, I am stumped. IANAL but I think I could have written a better decision that this.

I have no pleasant words for this man.

j

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