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Guns = Murder = Wrong
Authored by: MDT on Thursday, July 05 2012 @ 03:55 PM EDT
No,
I don't agree with your point PJ. The highest rate of firearm sales from 2008
to 2010 was Kentucky with 134,000 per 100,000 residents. The murder rate in
Kentucky in 2008, 2009, and 2010 was 4.3, 4.3, and 4.6 per 100,000 citizens
respectively. The national average was 4.6. So Kentucky, with over 1.34 gun
sales per person was below average on the murder rate.

Contrast that with Louisiana, which had only 13,394 per 100,000 residents in
the same period. The murder rate for Louisiana over those 3 years was 11.2,
11.8, and 11.9 per 100,000 citizens. Or, almost 3 times higher, despite having
10% of the gun sales.

The presence of guns does not correlate to the number of murders. First off,
murders do not only occur because of guns. Things like human beings have a lot
more to do with murder than guns do.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/06/28/states-with-the-most-guns.html

PJ, you've always said don't believe what people tell you, research first.
Please research. New Orleans (I was born there) has one of the highest murder
rates in the country, but it's not because everyone has a gun. It's because
nobody trusts the police, there are gangs running rampant in the city, and
there's drugs everywhere. They run people down with cars, cut them with knives,
beat them to death with baseball bats, poison them, guns are just one of the
many methods used in The Crescent City to murder people. If you outlawed guns,
and somehow made every gun in New Orleans disappear tonight, the murder rate
might blip for a few weeks, before rising back up to the current level as they
figure out how to conceal machette's easier.


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MDT

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Counterpoint: Switzerland
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, July 06 2012 @ 04:43 AM EDT
Counterpoint: Switzerland

It's one of the safest countries in the world, and every male is armed with a
*fully automatic* rifle. (And a good number of the ladies as well:
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimedia/picture_gallery/Gun_loving_folk_.html?cid
=29123560)


As others have pointed out, Detroit and NY are far more likely to be a result of
American education and government (at all levels) policy.

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Border Patrol union blasts Homeland Security instructions to 'run away' and 'hide' from gunmen
Authored by: nuthead on Friday, July 06 2012 @ 08:10 AM EDT
Maybe where criminals are armed is everyone not safer. But you have to consider
that criminals, by definition, break the law so laws governing guns tend to only
affect law-abiding citizens...the ones you typically don't have problems with.

A synonym for a gun-free zone is a victim-rich zone.

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