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Is the problem with the GPL-3 or some other contract? | 474 comments | Create New Account
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Is the problem with the GPL-3 or some other contract?
Authored by: jbb on Saturday, July 07 2012 @ 04:36 AM EDT

If Canonical is in control of the hardware, then of course they can make sure the owner/user controls the keys. If Canonical does not have control of the hardware then it is not their problem regardless of whether they are getting paid by the hardware manufacturer or not. The only way your hypothetical situation would play out the way you suggest is if Canonical signed some ridiculous contract with the OEM (creating an "agency" or a "warranty") that specifically shifted the burden back onto Canonical. The GPL-3 does not do this yet Shuttleworth claims it is a GPL-3 issue.

You say:

I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to fund a vendor to screw up and then fund a person to complain.
That seems identical to the malicious person downstream I was talking about yet you claim your scenario is completely different from mine. The only possible difference I see is that in your scenario there is some other contract between Canonical and the OEM and it is that contract, not the GPL-3, which forces Canonical to release their private keys.

You asked:

But is Canonical "upstream" or merely an agent of the machine vendor?
As far as the GPL-3 is concerned Canonical is strictly upstream even if they are getting paid for the software. Canonical would have to sign some additional contract to put themselves in a position where actions by the OEM would force Canonical to release their private key.

If you agree with me that the GPL-3 would not force Canonical to release their private key due to the actions of someone (such as an OEM) downstream then say so. If you still believe the GPL-3 could force Canonical to release their private keys due to actions out of their control taken by the OEM then please explain how that is different from the examples I gave.

The relevant question is not whether Canonical can sign a ridiculous contract that could end up forcing them to release their private keys. Of course they can, but that has nothing to do with the GPL-3. The relevant question is whether the GPL-3 itself can put Canonical in a position where they might be forced to release their private keys.

Your position on the relevant question is extremely unclear. If it is some other contract that is forcing key disclosure then you are spreading anti-GPL FUD. If it is not some other contract that is forcing disclosure then leave all the other contracts out of the discussion and explain why you think the GPL-3 itself will force people upstream to be responsible for actions taken by people downstream.

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