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different computers do different things
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, June 11 2012 @ 04:57 PM EDT
So you should be able to get a patent on a computer with a color screen (or at
least on the color screen itself). I agree. But not a patent on the specific
piece of mathematics which causes your computer with color screen to play
"Angry Birds". (We already have copyright law for that.)

One of the many problems with software patents is this:

99.99% of software patents are not like "process for playing Angry Birds on
a computer with this novel new patentable color screen". They *pretend* to
be like that, because they are written in incomprehensible legal gibberish. But
what they *actually* amount to is usually "process for playing Angry Birds
on any existing general-purpose computer with certain pieces of common hardware
attached to it". What they really try to patent the Angry Birds part (the
mathematical part), not the hardware or the actual process.

And that is just math, and therefore shouldn't be patentable.

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You're so wrong
Authored by: mnhou on Monday, June 11 2012 @ 05:24 PM EDT
Right, a monochrome monitor can not display color. Your old cell phone could not play Angry Birds. All hardware limitations, not software. No amount of tinkering with the software could make new machines that could.

Remember your Apple ][ days? It did color on the display. However, also remember, color monitors were very expensive, so we used monochrome (green screens, anyone?) monitors. Did we need to change the software to run on the monochrome? No. Was it a different machine. No, just a different display. Were the program's results the same? Yes, just a little greener, perhaps. Did you get full 16 level color glory, no. But that was a hardware limitation, not software. No amount of beating on the SW would ever get that to change.

While I can't speak for your old phone per say, I've a relatively "current" Android table that doesn't play Angry Birds either, yet it does most all the Androidy things. And even if it did run Birds now, ten minutes from now I could be checking my Gmail. That makes it a "new" machine? I don't think so. Sounds pretty general purpose to me. The fact that my table can't run Birds seems more like a bug in the SW or an artificial limitation, though it could be a hardware limitation.

To flip the problem on it's side, I used to have various Palm based handhelds ever since the original Pilot to a Sony Clie. I had some game programs that I installed and ran on each one, without ever changing the SW. Resolutions increased, levels of gray scale increased, color was introduced. I had one program that did use color, which ran fine on both B/W and color devices. So, while the hardware did change, the SW remained constant and oblivious to the device it was on. Did running that old SW make it a new machine? No, the Palm just ran the SW as it should.

P.S. - Thank you for presenting your views and expertise in this area and listening to us rant and think through our thoughts.

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You're so wrong
Authored by: jonathon on Monday, June 11 2012 @ 09:11 PM EDT
>My ancient flip phone could not play angry birds

What you are describing is a failure on the part of the developers to write the
software for your ancient flip phone.

Whether or not they are good enough programmers to write Angry Birds for your
ancient flip phone is a different issue.

I've never seen the game played, so I don't know what the audio or video
requirements are. It might not look at pretty with B&W images and a mono
soundtrack, which might be all that a twenty year old flip phone can produce.
But the game could be written for it, _if_ the developers so desired.

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cramming machine-era ideas onto computers
Authored by: pcrooker on Monday, June 11 2012 @ 09:55 PM EDT
I think the problem here is trying to apply an inapplicable model to computers.
Computers are not a plow or a mousetrap, they do not produce a fixed set of
results. That is why they were made and what makes them so useful.

Sure, programs cause computers to do different things, but to most of us
anti-software patent types, it is preposterous to equate programmatic results on
a general purpose computer with adding a second wing on a plow. Programs do not
change the computer.

This whole meme is broken, there should be a different standard used.

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You're so wrong
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, June 12 2012 @ 05:30 AM EDT
As someone else stated, computers do three things:

Recieve inputs from hardware input devices.
Do lots of maths on data from those inputs.
Output data to hardware output devices.

Patents, as legally drafted, cover the first and third ones there.
Lots of patents claim to cover the second one.


Here's another question:
Look at your computer.
Turn it on.
Is it now a different device?

You are arguing that it is.

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