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Software might be math but it doesn't matter
Authored by: PolR on Monday, June 11 2012 @ 01:46 AM EDT
It's not hard to show that software is a subset of mathematics. Turing completeness certainly shows that an algorithm (by the old definition, a program which eventually halts) is isomorphic to an object in maths (a suitably defined Turing machine).
This is correct but I have something to add.

It can also be shown that software that may run into into infinite loops is also isomorphic to Turing machines. Partial recursive functions and lambda-calculus and Turing machines are all models of computations that may run into infinite loops and this is part of the same series of theorems of computation theory you allude to. The focus on termination is driven by the desire of mathematicians to have algorithms that eventually gives an answer. But mathematics isn't always so generous.

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Patenting abstractions == end of legal system
Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, June 11 2012 @ 12:41 PM EDT
The trouble, as we've seen with software and "business methods", is
that patents on abstractions are *unenforceable*. Everyone just ignores the
patents unless the patent trolls decide to harass them.

If the courts continue to allow patents on abstractions, after a while, the
legal system will lose credibility. What mechanisms does it have to enforce
bogus judgements? It can take money from bank accounts and it can send police
on raids. We would see how long the government can raid innocent computer
programmers until it got overthrown (not long), and as for money, it will just
lead to a much larger and more active use of "hidden money".

Trying to enforce unenforceable monopolies simply causes the legal system and
the government to lose public support. This is not a good road to go down.

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