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OT: UEFI signed boot | 80 comments | Create New Account
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It also isn't that effective.
Authored by: jesse on Saturday, June 09 2012 @ 11:56 PM EDT
All you need is a stack overflow.

You load the stack with position independent code that chains system calls (not
function calls).

Takes a bit more code, but the library position is irrelevant.

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OT: UEFI signed boot
Authored by: tknarr on Sunday, June 10 2012 @ 03:30 AM EDT

There's only one thing, though: UEFI signed boot as implemented by Microsoft would be useless to those organizations. They need to control the boot process to allow only the software the organization approves (including the ability to lock out software signed by Microsoft), while Microsoft's UEFI rules permit the loading of any software anyone approved by Microsoft permits including software not approved by the organization. Those organizations would need the same thing hobbyists would: complete control over exactly what keys were enrolled in the hardware plus the ability to generate and enroll their own keys independent of any outside authority.

And ASLR isn't nearly as effective as it's made out to be. One of the first things I learned way back when was how to write code that didn't care where it was loaded in memory. The only attack that ASLR really protects against (where the randomization can't be trivially worked around) is stack overwriting, and constraints on the stack and things like NOP slides make ASLR less effective at protecting the stack than other areas. Case in point: Windows 7. It employs ASLR plus other more effective measures, yet we don't see any major decrease in penetrations.

As I said, UEFI's like putting a better lock on the window: it may technically improve the security of the house, but as long as the burglars are waltzing in and out of the unlocked front door it's not going to have any real effect.

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