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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 06 2012 @ 02:26 PM EDT
[www.internetnews.com] The article whilst covering the subject a lot better than some I've read is making an assumption that I think might be fatally flawed.

I have to wonder just how much longer will be able do DIY whet it comes to making our own PC's. All Microsoft has to do is tell the likes of Gigabyte, Asus etc that they can't sell a new Motherboard unless it has a Windows 8 license.

The advent of secure boot and signed keys means that they are going to get far more control of what we run on our equipment. They could tell the UEFI makers that DIY MBO's can't have their key in them OR theirs can be the only Key allowed.

I think that the resellers (newegg, aria etc) will vote to have the MS key only solution. At least that way they will continue to get some revenue.

I just get this feeling that will happen within 18 months of the release of Windows 8. Perhaps around the time SP1 is released.

I really would like to be proved wrong.

On the bright side, if Windows 8 proves to be the flop many of us here hope then it might well be time for 'the year of the Linux Desktop'.

--- Ubuntu & 'apt-get' are not the answer to Life, The Universe & Everything which is of course, "42" or is it 1.618?

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Consider open source hardware as a solution
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 06 2012 @ 02:51 PM EDT

If UEFI motherboards are set such that it can not be set to allow whatever distro of Linux I choose to install, then I won't be buying said motherboard. Period. End Of Line.

Instead I'll pick up perhaps:

    An XO Computer (I'd actually like one of these but missed my earlier oppurtunity and am hoping for another).
Or perhaps:
    Qi Hardware - a sudden flood of requests from open source enthusiasts could make an open source hardware company quite profitable
It really would be amusing that MS' attempts to enforce everyone to use MS software ends up not only pushing MS to a niche market, but all the main hardware manufacturers we know of today and elevating all new hardware manufacturers into the main stream.

Personally, I'd like to see such a future occur.

And - sadly - because Fedora has decided to move in the direction of UEFI and paying a MS tax, it will be relegated to the "pile of Linux distros that can no longer be used". It'll be grouped in with the likes of Suse and Caldera.

That $99 tax.... anyone have a very clear understanding of whether that's a one-time tax by Fedora or whether that's an on-going tax that will be added to every computer?

If it's a one-time tax by Fedora, then that certainly lessens the up-front financial costs. However, I simply don't trust MS not to pull something like:

    Ooops... there was a problem with the signing key, so all that hardware simply won't run Linux, my bad!
Nor do I trust them not to modify it in the future if it does work in the current. Nor do I trust them not to change something on their servers to suddenly break Linux computers. I could go on with the things I expect MS to pull.

RAS

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A temporary annoyance
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, June 06 2012 @ 07:59 PM EDT
There are going to be situations where UEFI is simply not workable, which means
there will be boards that don't support it. These will suddenly become a quite
popular movement.

And once the movement starts, some enterprising company will start producing a
full line of boards just for DIYers, who will build more usable and more
productive machines, and then M$ will become the poor man's "kind of like
an OS but more limited".*

A year later we'll all be laughing at how this was a good thing... ;)

* Not that I consider Windows much of an OS now...

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UEFI - Boot - The ultimate lock-in - What about old machines
Authored by: Kilz on Wednesday, June 06 2012 @ 08:44 PM EDT
One of the ways I help my church and our fellow congregations
is to put old donated computers back into service. Most of
them are windows machines which I wipe down and install Linux
on. Im sure there are others that do this for
schools/churches/etc.
But what will happen with the UEFI computers? Will we still
be able to re-purpose old hardware that has UEFI? Will there
still be people to sign the UEFI for old computers?

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What a shame
Authored by: symbolset on Wednesday, June 06 2012 @ 11:03 PM EDT

I liked RedHat. I bought that way back when (3.8? 4.2? I forget). Quite a few versions. Never, ever a Linux distro that has submitted to any Microsoft permission that could be withheld, nor one derived from it, will run on my gear. That's just not going to happen because I know where that leads. If I'm going to invest my precious time learning something, it's not going to be something that has agreed to be terminated at a later date and wipe out my investment.

Microsoft's tactics have foreclosed enough paths and destroyed enough innovation already. The human cost is immense. Can you imagine how many engineer man-years were wasted just learning MSJAVA? You could build pyramids.

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