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Ari’s New Message to Googlers: Let’s Hug It Out, Geeks!
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, June 03 2012 @ 10:38 PM EDT
PBS membership drives always seem to reach the target. Yes it is annoying to
have the program interrupted for a lengthy break while they plead for money,
but when they break down how little they need from each viewer sending money
seems reasonable. My daughter seems to spend more time watching videos on
YouTube now than TV, and these are produced at home without the big Hollywood
budgets.

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Ari’s New Message to Googlers: Let’s Hug It Out, Geeks!
Authored by: PJ on Sunday, June 03 2012 @ 10:39 PM EDT
Why do people donate to Groklaw? There is
no pressure. Yet they do. Year after year.

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  • I know this one! - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, June 03 2012 @ 11:00 PM EDT
I am not Alan Kay
Authored by: jbb on Monday, June 04 2012 @ 11:52 AM EDT
I put a quote by Alan Kay in my signature. I can see how this would cause confusion. Does anyone have a suggestion for how I can attribute that quote to Alan Kay without making it seem like I'm signing my post as "Alan Kay"?

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Our job is to remind ourselves that there are more contexts
than the one we’re in now — the one that we think is reality.
-- Alan Kay

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Ari’s New Message to Googlers: Let’s Hug It Out, Geeks!
Authored by: Tufty on Monday, June 04 2012 @ 03:11 PM EDT
I've enjoyed free music from Jamendo/ I am now in a situation where I will need
canned music so I will be taking a license from them. Take some give some back.

---
Linux powered squirrel.

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This is a worthwhile discussion
Authored by: jbb on Monday, June 04 2012 @ 04:12 PM EDT
This is the discussion that should happen in Ari's meetings. You think it won't work and I think it has worked for thousands of years. It works here at Groklaw. It works for other websites I support. It works for Free/Libre and Open Software. It is working now at Kickstarter. In fact, this is the traditional way artists have been funded in the past through patronage. I see the current system as an anomaly that was created by our materialistic corporate-centric society.

You say:

Human nature goes against you. Sure, people will pay for awhile, but bit by bit, more and more will "cheat" - with the rational - "I'll send a payment later", only later never comes. Why would it, with no pressure, no sence of urgency?
I'm reminded of a character from Snow Crash who has the follow phrase tattooed on his forehead:
Poor Impulse Control
We are in agreement that certain types of films will die out if they only appeal to people who have poor impulse control; who can't deal with delayed gratification; and who are at an adolescent stage of moral development.

Our disagreement is about what proportion of our population is morally immature and what proportion is morally grown up. There is ample evidence that people general act with adult morality. In fact, the cohesion and very existence of our society is predicated on the majority of people acting morally mature most of the time. Unfortunately, there is a small and significant segment that consistently acts morally immature. You can read about their immature behavior in books like ECONNED: How Unenlightened Self Interest Undermined Democracy and Corrupted Capitalism.

As I said in my original post, what you claim is a bug, I say is a feature. I believe most of the funding in Hollywood is for films that appeal to emotionally and morally immature adolescents. The excuse the studios give for this socially irresponsible behavior is that these are the films they can sell. They sell them with massive and massively expensive ad campaigns that appeal to the lowest common denominators: sex, violence, and potty humor.

Hollywood sells their films to the people in our society who are most easily manipulated. These are the very last people we want deciding the course of our culture yet due to our perverted system, they are now the ones in the driver's seat. If Hollywood stopped making films like this I would say good riddance to bad rubbish. On the other hand if people who really like these films want to keep seeing them then they just have to chip in at a place like kickstarter or simply pay for the last one in order to see the next one.

If you only appeal to the lowest common denominator then you will only get the lowest common denominator. If you do this long enough then you might end up thinking this is all there is to human nature. That would be a terrible and tragic mistake.

This whole thread is about adapting to new technology. Not only has content distribution changed radically, payment methods have changed radically too. One of the reasons it was important to charge people before they entered a movie theater was the sheer logistical difficulties involved in paying with physical objects. Back then it would have been insane to ask people to pay from their seats as the movie was ending. People can pay from their seats now with a click of a button. This makes a huge difference because that is the perfect time to ask them for money. My goodness, I've been in movie theaters where people applaud at the end of the film even though there are no actors or creators there to receive the applause. Do you honestly believe they are not going to also throw money if it's as easy as the push of a button?

Of course, at a movie theater they would still need to pay to get in but they would be paying for the ambiance and value added by the theater, not because there was an artificial scarcity of content. They are only paying for theater experience when going in because the theater owners get the content for free. When it is time to applaud, the audience is paying the content creators directly.

I am confident that under this new system, films I want to see will still be created. If certain types of films stop getting created because people aren't willing to pay for them after watching them, it would be a boon to society regardless of my own personal view of those films.

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Our job is to remind ourselves that there are more contexts
than the one we’re in now — the one that we think is reality.
-- Alan Kay

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