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Non-UEFI market?
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, June 03 2012 @ 11:02 PM EDT
Maybe, just maybe, enough people are getting wise to the ways of the
Monopolist.

Furthermore, the desktop PC is going the way of the typewriter and Microsoft is
a through-and-throughd desktop OS company.
They had cool and cash to previal despite missing the Internet. They may (still)
have cash, but they sure don't have cool, so chances are they'll never prevail
in the new, mobile, paradigm - despite dressing up the old warhorse Windows in a
new snazzy UI.

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Non-UEFI computers?
Authored by: Chromatix on Sunday, June 03 2012 @ 11:09 PM EDT
UEFI based computers, without secure boot, are already on the market. I've got at least one of those. I've been able to install Linux on it.

Somewhere on the internet there's a huge rant about UEFI by one of the kernel developers. Apparently, even without secure boot, it's a *massive* pain in the backside, mainly because the implementations of it - yes, even the reference implementation provided by Intel - are hopelessly buggy.

Most ARM based computers these days use U-Boot as a bootloader. U-Boot is open source and generally works quite well. In principle there is nothing to stop U-Boot from being used to boot Windows 8 RT as well as Linux and Android. But U-Boot isn't universal, for example the Raspberry Pi doesn't use it - but in that case it doesn't matter, because the method of booting a Raspberry Pi is quite well documented and open. You can change OS on an R- Pi (eg. Linux to RiscOS) in a few seconds by swapping the SD card.

It is also possible to lock some types of EEPROM - where the bootloader is stored - so that they cannot be rewritten - or require a passkey to be unlocked for writing. This can be used for virus protection, or it could be used to prevent replacing a proprietary bootloader with an open source version. That's a hardware feature, not strictly a software one, but it means that some Windows 8 RT devices might really be locked down to run Windows only. (At least until someone cracks the EEPROM unlock key.)

But yes, I'm anticipating that Windows 8 will fail in the marketplace. ARM based computers running Linux are already available at surprisingly low prices - even if you don't count Android as being Linux. People talking about previews of the Metro interface on desktop hardware are singularly unimpressed. Windows Phone 7 is already in the market with Metro, and is proving to be an albatross to even it's most successful vendor (Nokia), who has paired it with decent hardware and a formerly respected brand name.

So it's entirely likely that there will be a fairly sharp divide between ARM devices that run Linux (or Android) and ARM devices that run Windows. In a properly functioning marketplace, one hopes that people will tend to choose the Linux ones.

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Another take on this issue
Authored by: complex_number on Monday, June 04 2012 @ 02:30 AM EDT
The word 'Wintel' comes to mind here.

I just have to wonder if MS is trying to strangle the life out of Arm based
desktops and laptops before the birth has taken place.
Intel is nowhere to be seen in this market.

Wouldn't it be in both their interests to make this market as difficult as
possible to enter just to keep their Wintel duopoloy intact.
If they make the hurdles so high many current PC makers who might be considering
going with ARM say 'Nah. It is just too much of a PITA to bother with. The
margins will disappear once we meet all the MS licensing requirements.'

MS Is however forgetting one crucial thing. ARM is not closed like Intel/AMD.

Just about anyone can buy an ARM SOC design off the shelf these days. If there
isn't a design that suits you then many fabs will happily put one together for
you.
What right then have MS to insist in a locked down UEFI boot?
Well they do if you want to run the train wreck called Windows 8. Otherwise? you
can run any OS of your choice.

I forsee a big market for a versino of Linux that is skinned to look just like
Windows 7 and can run the top 100 most used X86 applications.
The USP here would be 'It looks like Windows 7 and has the most popular apps
from your Win 7 world ready to go'.

Don't forget that MS is playing strongarm with the App developers as well here.
They are saying to them:-
- Want to run on Windows 8 on ARM? Then it is Metro only for you chaps.

This forces the developers to create a Metro version of their app in the full
knowledge that very few people will actually buy/use it.

Not a good time to be in this area of Softare development unless you already
have versions that run on Linux and OSX as well as iOS and Android
phones/tablets. Then you could consider giving a two fingered salute to
Redmond.
It would be really nice to see a major S/W maker tell MS that Sorry we are
skipping Windows 8/Metro/Arm altogether, telling them that 'their market
research indicates that their customers don't want Metro'.
Will it happen? Highly unlikely but we can dream can't we?


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