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Comes 2762b-->1997 email MS asking Apple to support Active Streaming
Authored by: PJ on Sunday, June 03 2012 @ 10:26 AM EDT
Thank you. I have it.

And just in case anyone ever again says that what Google did is the same as what Microsoft did to Java, let me highlight this Comes exhibit that I noticed as I was putting your text into the collection:

2768 - From: Russ Arun
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 6:13 PM
To: Prashant Sridharan
Subject: RE: More Questions about ADO in java...

Cross platform is a red herring that is not worth spending time on. Based all the numbers we see it is interestingly more irrelevant now than it was 5 years ago when I joined MS.

However we need to coopt the best lessons from Java into Windows.

--------
From: Prashant Sridharan
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 6:07 PM
To: Russ Arun
Subhect: RE: More Questions about ADO in java...

If we, as a company, are interested in promoting Windows, why bother with AFC? In my own opinion (apart from Ironwood, J/Direct, or any of the other politically-charged topics now), we are horribly inconsistent in this regard.

Screw Sun, cross-platform will never work. Let's move on and steal the Java language.

That said, have we ever taken a look at how long it would take Microsoft to build a cross-platform Java that did work? Naturally, we would never do it, but it would give us some idea of how much time we have to work with in killing Sun's Java.

Prashant Sridharan
Visual J++ Product Manager
preshant@microsoft.com

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I love it when the facts live forever.
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, June 03 2012 @ 05:29 PM EDT
I'm sure folks get it now. There is no hiding any more.

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Comes 2762b-->1997 email MS asking Apple to support Active Streaming
Authored by: dio gratia on Monday, June 04 2012 @ 02:11 AM EDT

End User License Agreement

Microsoft Advanced Systems Format (ASF) Specification version 1.2
IMPORTANT—READ CAREFULLY: This Microsoft Agreement (“Agreement”) is a legal agreement between you (either an individual or a single entity) and Microsoft Corporation (“Microsoft”) for the version of the Microsoft specification identified above which you are about to download (“Specification”). By downloading, copying, or otherwise using the Specification, you agree to be bound by the terms of this Agreement. If you do not agree to the terms of this Agreement, do not download, copy or otherwise use the Specification.

This contained in the specification but not presented prior to download. An agreement is a meeting of minds, isn't it? How could that be demonstrated in that case? Real drive by license of adhesion. No "about to download" about it.

Each page footer:

© 2012 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Any reproduction, modification, or distribution is subject to the terms of the End User License Agreement accompanying this specification.
The specification is dated January 2012 and the EULA TERM expires without notice on January 1, 2012, in other words you have no license, nor obligations under the license.

Microsoft appears a left hand, right hand conversationally challenged issue. Someone hand that man a throwing chair, please.

Oh, in light of the lack of a valid license I'd like to make it perfectly clear this is parody. To quote a Shakespearean character "I do mock you, Sir".

See Advanced Systems Format (ASF) Specification, a Microsoft web page noting the lack of notice for the expired license. There are a couple of other mock worthy things of note. It may be of small wonder that in fifteen years it hasn't quite caught on as an industry standard (he said, mockingly).

Apparently Apple didn't bite back.

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