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Agreed... but sometimes
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, June 01 2012 @ 03:05 PM EDT

The worst I've done with my two is give them a time out. Sometimes more then just tone of voice is necessary. One gets a timeout in her bed. The other gets a timeout by going upstairs where she stays alone.

I've watched some of the dog training classes with regards discipline. While they don't "wack dogs on the head with a newspaper" I'm not really to fond of the physical "yank the head down to the ground so they lay down".

While I can understand that behavior as being part of the natural Alpha control exhibited in packs in the wild... we are - or at least we like to pretend to be - a little more civilized in our behaviors then wild dogs.

I'm definitely more of the Gentility in Training type :)

RAS

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"whack'em on the head" for shame
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, June 01 2012 @ 05:38 PM EDT
Always a bleeding heart out there

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"whack'em on the head" for shame
Authored by: Tufty on Friday, June 01 2012 @ 06:51 PM EDT
I knew someone who rescued a particular breed of dog. About the only way they
learned who was alpha was by the application of a rolled up telephone directory.
Anything less and they had the attitude they were still the alpha and you were
an upstart who needed a lesson.

---
Linux powered squirrel.

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"whack'em on the head" for shame
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, June 01 2012 @ 09:45 PM EDT
Yes, but lawyers are a different species to dog and as such don't have the same
pack and alpha leader behavior.

As such, a firm voice and correct training doesn't always work with this
particular 'legal' specie. We need strong actions from the alpha leader (the
court) and a whack on the head (sanction and/or barred) may be the most
effective and only remedy. Pity it is so infrequently applied!

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"whack'em on the head" for shame
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, June 02 2012 @ 02:05 PM EDT
Gentility works for the most part, and I agree very much with where you are
coming from. However, there are times when gentility simply doesn't work.

If you watch dogs on their own (even gentle-natured dogs such as retrievers and
labs), you'll see that the alpha male will still get very aggressive at times.
That agression, when applied appropriately, Simply Works(TM).

Having been around a LOT of red nose bull terriors (I have a family member that
used to breed them), I know first hand that sometimes you have to get a point
across (and quickly) to nip a certain behabior in the you-know-what. I've
always felt bad about having to go that far, but sometimes it's a necessary
thing... Sometimes, it's outright irresponsible to NOT go that far.

Abuse is not at all the same thing as discipline. Abuse is served without
regard, whereas discipline is a responsibility.

Placing this concept back into the subject of expert liars, I personally don't
think that the judge went far enough. I personally think that the expert
witness should have been fined for (at least) the amount he was paid to lie. As
it stands, I'm sure his reputation is hurt (but as other posters have noted in a
round-about way), they obviusly don't care so long as they get paid handsomely
for it.

I think it would be far more appropriate to take the witnesses pay away. That
way, his reputation is hurt AND he'll understand that he did it for absolutely
nothing. Until judgements like this come from the bench, the liars remain
rewarded, and the would-be-liars keep looking for a payout.

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