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Judge Alsup Rules: Oracle's Java APIs are Not Copyrightable (Order as text) ~pj | 392 comments | Create New Account
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Judge Alsup Rules: Oracle's Java APIs are Not Copyrightable (Order as text) ~pj
Authored by: jbb on Saturday, June 02 2012 @ 04:33 AM EDT
also have tremendous respect for your opinion and I completely agree with you that software patents are a terrible problem. I too found the statement by PJ that you quoted rather jarring. I'm glad you are calling attention to it. OTOH, after following this case for a while, I agree with what Judge Alsup actually said about patents versus copyrights in his ruling:
[...] this trial showcases a distinction between copyright protection and patent protection. It is an important distinction, for copyright exclusivity lasts 95 years whereas patent exclusivity lasts twenty years. And, the Patent and Trademark Office examines applications for anticipation and obviousness before allowance whereas the Copyright Office does not. This distinction looms large where, as here, the vast majority of the code was not copied and the copyright owner must resort to alleging that the accused stole the “structure, sequence and organization” of the work. This phrase — structure, sequence and organization — does not appear in the Act or its legislative history. It is a phrase that crept into use to describe a residual property right where literal copying was absent. A question then arises whether the copyright holder is more appropriately asserting an exclusive right to a functional system, process, or method of operation that belongs in the realm of patents, not copyrights.

[...] The Supreme Court explained that only patent law can give an exclusive right to a method [...]

[...] The Supreme Court went on to explain that protecting the method under copyright law would frustrate the very purpose of publication [...]

I think the primary reason copyrighting software is considered to be healthier than software patents is precisely the realm of things covered by each form of protection. Extending copyright protection to something that is currently in the realm of things covered by patents would make a bad situation substantially worse because of the reasons given by Judge Alsup: copyright protection is far easier to obtain and lasts almost five times longer.

Therefore I think it is possible for someone to believe that Oracle should have applied for patent protection instead of relying on copyright protection and at the same time believe that software patents are inherently bad. Even though the USPTO often does a very poor job of filtering out obvious software patents**, I don't think Sun/Oracle would have been able to obtain a patent for the Java APIs due to both obviousness and prior art. Saying Oracle should have applied for a patent is very different from saying they should have been granted one.

Even so, the statement you quoted could be easily interpreted as an endorsement of software patents which I am sure was not what PJ intended. She continues to be very vocal in her opposition to software patents.


**Even if the USPTO got its act together and filtered out all obvious software patents, I still think software patents would be bad. For example, I think the FFT is non-obvious but a patent on FFTs would have been a disaster.

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Our job is to remind ourselves that there are more contexts
than the one we’re in now — the one that we think is reality.
-- Alan Kay

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Judge Alsup Rules: Oracle's Java APIs are Not Copyrightable (Order as text) ~pj
Authored by: Wol on Saturday, June 02 2012 @ 05:31 PM EDT
Following on from jbb, as I understood the Judge, he wasn't saying that Oracle
should have *got* a patent. He was saying that a patent was the correct form of
IP to protect that sort of thing.

"Oracle should have gone for a patent" == "if you want
protection, try to get a patent to provide it".

I couldn't agree more that software patents are just plain wrong, and it
wouldn't surprise me if Judge Alsup agrees. Especially after the mauling
Oracle's patents got in phase 2. "go for a patent" yes. Just don't
expect to get it, and if you do, don't expect it to stand up in court!

Cheers,
Wol

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