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Visual Studio 11 Express for Windows 8
Authored by: hardmath on Friday, May 25 2012 @ 06:14 PM EDT
This is a new spin on things IMHO. The idea has been that developers one tight
budgets (often students) could download "express" versions of MS
toolsets (VS for VB.Net or SQLServer Express, say), which would lack certain
"professional" features. But the available targets (Windows or
console executables, DLLs, etc.) would be essentially the same as the for-pay
versions of those tools.

Now the offer is that VS 11 Express will not create general desktop
applications, only touch interface "Metro" style apps.

I suspect it's as much about trying to squeeze new developers into a
"Metro" framework mindspace as it is about monetizing the tools.

Dinosaurs like me are not likely to jump at the chance.

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MS has always done that?
Authored by: Ed L. on Friday, May 25 2012 @ 06:34 PM EDT
In what sense is charge-for-our-sdk-and-compilers anticompetitive? And it certainly is a break from Microsoft's past. FOSS Folks may -- with justification -- whine about Microsoft's anticompetitive behaviour vis-a-vis OS/2. But few care to recall just how far IBM went out of its way to shoot its own puppy:
The poor support for existing hardware and software wouldn't have been too bad if that fancy 32bit protected mode multitasking could be used to bring in apps not possible in Windows and DOS, but IBM was firmly committed to killing this too. Back then you couldn't walk 3 feet at a developer tradeshow without a Microsoft rep handing you a free stack of disks with the Windows SDK and a pin or sticker proclaiming how you wanted your next application to be developed for Windows. Down at the IBM booth, assuming you could get a guy who would do more then just blow hot air at you, you could buy the OS/2 SDK for the low tradeshow price of just $300.
Otherwise a would-be OS/2 dev would be out close to $3k.

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Yeah, the author seems clueless
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 27 2012 @ 07:32 PM EDT
The useful editions of visual studio have never been free (people use VS without
addins? that alone is worth the price tag over express) and the only express
edition that even allowed commercial use was 2010. Oh, with severe restrictions
like no 64 bit compiler or MFC/ATL support.

It's discouraging that they're so determined to push metro as a desktop runtime,
but having to pay for VS is nothing new.

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