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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 25 2012 @ 10:55 AM EDT |
Maybe it's the phase of the moon or something, but just why is
it Android's responsibility to not fragment Java? It's not
like they are claiming to BE Java. They are only claiming to
be similar (syntax, functionality) at the source code level.
As far as compatibility goes, to borrow and paraphrase a bit
from MS, it doesn't need to be fully compatible, it just needs
to be "compatible enough" to make developers comfortable and
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| Authored by: rkhalloran on Friday, May 25 2012 @ 11:02 AM EDT |
Can we expect a suit from Lucent/Alcatel against Microsoft for infringement of C
by C#?
Oh wait, they're not trolls, sorry...
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| Authored by: mcinsand on Friday, May 25 2012 @ 12:18 PM EDT |
(BTW, I like that subject line, because I'm using the bumper for Google, bumpers
are usually chromed, and, well...)
For those of you that remember records, I'm going into broken record mode,
especially with Oracle accusing someone else of fragmenting Java. As I said a
couple of days ago, I was using Sun/Oracle Java to avoid headaches until I
started having headaches after a recent upgrade. One of the key Java
applications I use is KoLmafia, which makes managing a KingdomofLoathing (<a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_loathing/">silly
online game</a>) accounts far, far easier. When I started using it, the
project page warned Ubuntu users, in particular, to only use the Sun version.
Since my sons got me started playing <a
href="http://www.minecraft.net/">Minecraft</a> last year, I
have also been running the client and server software. Both of those are Java
applications, so I have three apps that run regularly, with the server running
whenever the computer is on.
February of this year, I ordered the following PC assemblage, with the intent of
also moving beyond Kubuntu 11.04:
Biostar N68S3B GeForce 7025 Motherboard - Micro ATX,
NVIDIA MCP68S Chipset, 1333MHz DDR3, SATA 3.0 Gb/s,
RAID, 6 Channels Audio, GeForce 7025, Fast Ethernet
Then, it hit the fan to make for a horrible weekend where the apps just would
not run. Since Sun/Oracle Java had always been the safest way to go, I spent
days in frustration to look elsewhere for the culprit. It was only in
desperation that I tried using OpenJDK instead. This isn't just an Ubuntu
issue, but it was the same in Debian Squeeze and Fedora 16.
If Oracle is concerned about Java fragmentation, then maybe they ought to stop
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 25 2012 @ 01:24 PM EDT |
Android apps can't run in Java, either. They use Android APIs that aren't part
of the Java platform (in addition to the 51 Apache Harmony packages that do have
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| Authored by: PJ on Friday, May 25 2012 @ 02:41 PM EDT |
| Wait, guys. Take a look at that footnote about
the appellate brief [PDF] by
Connectix. It tells us
more about exactly what Connectix did. Can
you please
read it and tell me if it matches
as closely as Google describes?
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 25 2012 @ 03:17 PM EDT |
Not a subset. A platform with an non-empty intersection in the libraries,
but,
as I think I'm understanding from comments, a different way of entering a
program from java's standard method "public static void main(String[] args)."
That right there, if I understand it correctly, means unmodified java programs
will not run on Dalvik. As a practical matter, source code in a higher level
language requires transformation into machine code: one could design a
compiler that accepts both styles of entry points, so the entry point
convention,
in a sense, is not a part of the language, but a part of java's
compiling program,
javac. The GNU compiler, gcc, understands quite a few
languages. All to saying,
what, exactly? If keywords and syntax rules match,
two languages are the same.
A choice in keywords and syntax rules cannot be
protected, because these are
ideas. They can't be patented because they are the
mathematics of a formal
language and grammar.
PJ asked a
question.
I think Google does a nice job of explaining how Sony v.
Connectix
supports their claim that what they did is allowed under commonly
understood
legal precedents.
Oracle, though, makes a good point that java
is not a device, so that case was
about something else.
Oracle may be
faulted by not acknowledging the real issue, which is not
whether java affinity
for Android development is a virtualized game player, but
whether the method of
copying and the key point regarding Connectix's fair use
by virtue of not using
(or decompiling) Sony's source code applies.
Or in other words, it's not
enough to say it was about something else,
Oracle has to seriously address the
point that the legal concept has zero
application to this case.
Failing
to do so, I think Oracle by omission highlights the correctness of
Google's
briefing regarding Question III. [ Reply to This | Parent | # ]
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| Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, May 27 2012 @ 05:39 PM EDT |
| Sega situation: An alternative implementation of the game production
programming libraries that can be used to produce games that run on a Sega
console. J. Alsop Question: Can Android products run on a JRE?
Sony
situation: An alternative implementation (virtual) of a Sony Console that
can execute existing game programs. J. Alsop Question: Can Java products run on
Android?
What are the contested products?
Sega: Game Title
(Application).
Sony: Game Console (Runtime).
Oracle: An
Application is equivalent to a Game Title. A Runtime is equivalent to a console.
Dalvik does not execute java JRE programs therefore Sony does not apply;
Android programs do not execute on a JRE therefore Sega does not apply. If
neither Sega or Sony applies, then what does apply? Why infinging SSO of
course.
Oracle's Problems:
- Many JSE programs do run at the
android command line.
- The JDK and Android SDK are product production
platforms. Both platforms include the concept of library and application as
products. Oracle's attempt to limit the definition of product to application has
generated much derision on this site, nothing else needs to be said,
except:
Oracle's Pure Java JDBC drivers, a library product,
work on Android in bytecode form, no source code required. So what? Well, this
is a very important peice that enable Java Applications to interoperate with
Oracle's database products.See here:Android
- Oracle JDBC example
- Since all Android applications and
libraries are compiled into .class format and then converted into .dex format,
many libraries built for Android are compatible with JRE
execution.
Therefore, if a library is a product (and Oracle does produce
library products) then Sega and Sony both apply in their entirety. Many products
(planes, trains, automobiles and computers to name a few) are assembled from
subassemblies, which are products in their own right (motherboard, memory,
disk); The same is true for software products where the subasemblies are called
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