decoration decoration
Stories

GROKLAW
When you want to know more...
decoration
For layout only
Home
Archives
Site Map
Search
About Groklaw
Awards
Legal Research
Timelines
ApplevSamsung
ApplevSamsung p.2
ArchiveExplorer
Autozone
Bilski
Cases
Cast: Lawyers
Comes v. MS
Contracts/Documents
Courts
DRM
Gordon v MS
GPL
Grokdoc
HTML How To
IPI v RH
IV v. Google
Legal Docs
Lodsys
MS Litigations
MSvB&N
News Picks
Novell v. MS
Novell-MS Deal
ODF/OOXML
OOXML Appeals
OraclevGoogle
Patents
ProjectMonterey
Psystar
Quote Database
Red Hat v SCO
Salus Book
SCEA v Hotz
SCO Appeals
SCO Bankruptcy
SCO Financials
SCO Overview
SCO v IBM
SCO v Novell
SCO:Soup2Nuts
SCOsource
Sean Daly
Software Patents
Switch to Linux
Transcripts
Unix Books

Gear

Groklaw Gear

Click here to send an email to the editor of this weblog.


You won't find me on Facebook


Donate

Donate Paypal


No Legal Advice

The information on Groklaw is not intended to constitute legal advice. While Mark is a lawyer and he has asked other lawyers and law students to contribute articles, all of these articles are offered to help educate, not to provide specific legal advice. They are not your lawyers.

Here's Groklaw's comments policy.


What's New

STORIES
No new stories

COMMENTS last 48 hrs
No new comments


Sponsors

Hosting:
hosted by ibiblio

On servers donated to ibiblio by AMD.

Webmaster
you missed the point I think | 380 comments | Create New Account
Comments belong to whoever posts them. Please notify us of inappropriate comments.
They did.
Authored by: Mark Haanen on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 11:31 AM EDT
No. It would be analogous if the Salvation Army was not only performing your
song, but also encouraging all passers-by to record their own version of the
same song, and I was aware of _that_ and didn't act.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

  • They did. - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 04:26 PM EDT
They did.
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 12:38 PM EDT
Anybody can play or sing your song using their own voices and
their own instruments. They just can't record it without
your permission.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

  • They did. - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 12:47 PM EDT
    • They did. - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 03:01 PM EDT
      • They did. - Authored by: PJ on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 03:28 PM EDT
    • They did. - Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 03:08 PM EDT
      • They did. - Authored by: PJ on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 03:31 PM EDT
        • They did. - Authored by: BJ on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 04:18 PM EDT
        • Interesting ... - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 25 2012 @ 08:06 AM EDT
          • Interesting ... - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 30 2012 @ 09:25 PM EDT
        • They did. - Authored by: AlexWright on Friday, May 25 2012 @ 11:23 AM EDT
They did.
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 01:46 PM EDT
This is the concept of equitable estoppel.

Sun (possibly) had some property rights with respect to Java
vis SSO.

Sun knew that Harmony was engaging in behavior that might
have infringed their property right on SSO, but elected not
to enforce the property right. Indeed, they actively
encouraged Harmony (as long as they didn't use their
trademark).

Their conduct implied that Sun did not intend to enforce
their proported property rights to the SSO. Google was
aware of Sun's conduct with respect to Harmony.

Google relied on Sun's conduct as a promise they had no
rights to enforce. Google relied on that to their detriment
(Google invested heavily in Android). Sun is estopped from
now asserting that they had such a property right all along.

The purpose of equitable estoppel is to prevent "gotcha!"
attacks. For example, a patent holder sees a rival making a
product that clearly violates their patent. Rather than
point this out, they wait until a competitor invests huge
amounts of money making a whole line of products, all using
the patented technology. Then, when they've made millions
in profit, they say "Aha! You used our patent! You owe us
huge amounts of money."

You can see why it's somewhat applicable....

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

They did.
Authored by: PJ on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 03:30 PM EDT
How about if you told them, Hey, welcome to
the group that sings my songs! Great to
have you doing that song.

Now what should Salvation Army think?

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

you missed the point I think
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 04:51 PM EDT
The 37 packages in Android come from the Harmony code. Their code was written
by the Apache Harmony project, and Sun thought there was nothing wrong with that
as long as they didn't call it Java.

Now when Google tries to use the same code that Sun did not complain about,
Oracle starts complaining about it.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Groklaw © Copyright 2003-2013 Pamela Jones.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners.
Comments are owned by the individual posters.

PJ's articles are licensed under a Creative Commons License. ( Details )