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Oracle v. Google - Now Back to the Copyright Question and How Oracle Fragments Java - gcj | 380 comments | Create New Account
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Oracle v. Google - Now Back to the Copyright Question and How Oracle Fragments Java
Authored by: hardmath on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 09:31 AM EDT
While there are independent JVM implementations, he's implying
that they all "the big ones" took licenses.

Since HP calls their HP-UX JVM 1.5 "Java Software", it would
seem they have paid for and passed a commercial TCK.

--hm


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"Prolog is an efficient programming language because it is a very stupid theorem
prover." -- Richard O'Keefe

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Oracle v. Google - Now Back to the Copyright Question and How Oracle Fragments Java
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 10:06 AM EDT

Apache's Harmony?

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Oracle v. Google - Now Back to the Copyright Question and How Oracle Fragments Java
Authored by: Ian Al on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 12:00 PM EDT
Four points,

There are no commercial users that have licensed the APIs. None at all. They
licensed the entire Java platform including the trademark.

Copyright does not protect platforms from being forked. It protects creative
expression fixed in a medium.

The programs that Oracle are complaining about will not run on Java ME because
it is totally forked.

An API exists between two programs. In this case it is a Java source code
program and javac. As shown in the evidence provided by Oracle in the patent
phase, all Android Java programs compile successfully with javac. If it is
compatibility with the whole platform that Oracle have in mind, Android programs
compiled with javac will not run on Java ME and neither will Java SE programs.
However, after full compilation with dx they are compatible with Android.

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Regards
Ian Al
Software Patents: It's the disclosed functions in the patent, stupid!

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Oracle v. Google - Now Back to the Copyright Question and How Oracle Fragments Java - gcj
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 12:41 PM EDT
gcj (Gnu Compiler for Java) implements a subset of the Java
APIs: http://gcc.gnu.org/java/faq.html#2_1 . pdftk uses gcj
and there is at least one commercial version of pdftk
(cpdftk). pdftk is probably used in quite a few companies'
commercial web application implementations. I daresay you
could find other uses of gcj too.

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Oracle v. Google - Now Back to the Copyright Question and How Oracle Fragments Java
Authored by: mossc on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 02:13 PM EDT
ORACLE WAS(AND STILL IS) COMMERCIALLY USING THE JAVA APIs by distributing GCJ
with "Oracle Unbreakable Linux".

GCJ is not a complete implementation and doesn't have a license.

They did this long before acquiring SUN.

I know I keep harping on this but it does undermine most of their positions
taken in this case.

It was frustrating not to see that point drilled home during the trial.

Chuck

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