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a bad taste ...
Authored by: nsomos on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 12:16 PM EDT
I've learned and used Java in decades past.

Based on the actions of Oracle, I will now do all I can
to avoid using Java in the future. If for some odd reason,
Java is the only language that can effectively get a
certain job done, I will use it, but I first will strive
mightily to find an alternative.

I have no trust that Oracle might not capriciously try
to go after people who use Java or any of its equivalents.

The only way I would change my mind about Java now,
would be if Oracle were to divest themselves of it.

I will also do all I can to avoid any other software that
profits them. Oracle has left a very bad taste in my mouth.

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Are people going to abandon Java?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 03:40 PM EDT

Note that Java was already being seen as "uncool" long before Oracle got their hands on it. Many developers have come to dislike the overly verbose and over-architected APIs. The long gap between Java 6 and 7 didn't help either, especially as C# (originally a Java clone) started surpassing Java with new syntax features.

But TIOBE is just counts of search engine results ... probably doesn't mean a whole lot.

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JavaME? Down in proportion to Android Smartphones! Why?
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 05:23 PM EDT
The whole problem with Java, especially today, with multi-core
processors running multi-tasking applications on Desktops as well
as mobiles..... is that JavaME's end of life cycle is now eminent.

Because Java itself was designed for yesterday's hardware to run
one app in one VM instance at a time!

Thank God.... Google didn't make a deal with Sun then right? Even
though that would have really strapped some rockets to Java.
Especially if Sun had not been in denial on Google's Brand being
more help to Sun Java than Sun Java would have been to Android.
Maybe then JavaME wouldn't be locked into the past only running on
feature phones that are now being completely overwhelmed by
Smartphones. Especially those running Android!!! :D

Just think if Sun would have been more co-operative, both Android
and Apache Harmony would have enabled Sun and it's Java platform
to grow exponentially. Sun may have had some outstanding and very
important Android features coded back into it, so it could better
match the needs of the Smartphone market that's replacing it
running Dalvik! .....so although the Java language will continue
to be used by developers..., JavaME, JavaEE and Java days are
numbered and mostly because of their own Fragmentation of the Java
Platform!!! ;-)

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Are people going to abandon Java?
Authored by: jonathon on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 08:08 PM EDT
Python is one obvious replacement for Java.

However, your question should be phrased as:
"For function/purpose 'x', what language is an obvious choice to replace
Java.."

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Flee all Free things Oracled.
Authored by: symbolset on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 11:48 PM EDT

Yes. Larry Ellison is not in the "giving stuff away" business. He never has been and he does not intend to start. That is not how he became one of the wealthiest people on Earth.

Here's a neat illuminating story. Key quotes:

At this point Jobs got real close to Ellison and said, "Larry, this is why it's really important that I'm your friend. You don't need any more money." .... Jobs responded by saying, "I think if I went back to Apple and didn't own any of Apple, and you didn't own any of Apple, I'd have the moral high ground." ... Ellison's response: "Steve, that's really expensive real estate, this moral high ground."

Oracle is a company that charges you extra if you add more RAM to your database server. They are not into "Open" or "Standard". Larry Ellison is mentally incapable of even understanding this question. It just does not compute for him. It's like explaining the vast grandeur of the Grand Canyon to a blind man. The only real way to give him even a taste of it is to push him in - and then his appreciation will be short-lived.

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