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Celebrate I will, surely!!! | 543 comments | Create New Account
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And remember to thank PJ, too!
Authored by: celtic_hackr on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 02:38 PM EDT
We often forget, and get complacent in our expectation of this site being here.

PJ, has had a major impact on the legal world. She has created this place and
helped us all over and over.

We get used to having her around. Oh sure we appreciate her, but when was the
last time we had a thank you thread for her?

She deserves our praise as well, and let us not forget Mark. Who took up the
torch and keeps us enlightened too.

Where would we be without them, and the other volunteers who have worked so
hard?

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Celebrate Here!!! YES!!!!
Authored by: mirrorslap on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 02:50 PM EDT
PJ, you are amazing! Thanks so much for coming out of retirement for this case,

and for "calling a spade a spade". I wish I could have been in the
courtroom
today. I wonder if Ogreacle (sic) will "buy a clue" and stop their
madness?

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Celebrate Here!!! And Thanks to Mark!
Authored by: webster on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 02:52 PM EDT
.

Thanks to Mark! This case shows what an invaluable asset he is to Groklaw's
coverage. He is a litigator and corporate attorney who has lived these patent
cases and had to guide companies through the patent minefields.

He can look at a pile of filings, grasp their significance and explain the
situation just like the overnight brief writers. He greatly furthers PJ's goal
of law and Coders educating each other.

PJ and he have helped shape the battle. They have tilted the field.

.

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Thank yous!
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 02:52 PM EDT
Thank you to PJ, and Mark, and all the voluneteers. it is so easy to take this
place for granted, but it is truly wonderful of you all to make Groklaw, and all
it does, happen. Thank you!

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a most welcome verdict ...
Authored by: nsomos on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 02:56 PM EDT
A miscarriage of justice has been avoided.
The jury was able to come to a correct decision, despite
the viciously biased 'expert' testimony that Oracle paid for.
I hope there is a serious backlash against the school
currently employing that so called 'expert' that sought
to deceive.

Google did no wrong this time.
BSF have once again proved themselves slimy.
Hopefully more and more media will become clued in about
Florian and those of his ilk.

For those who claimed that Java performs better than
Dalvik ... go off somewhere to cry. If that were really
true, then Oracle could have brought out a successfully
competing product for the mobile market. And there is
nothing stopping them from trying now either.
(Google won't sue them for re-implementing Android APIs)

I am now eager to read how Alsup rules on the remaining
issues. In any case, I am confident that this trial
will not be bothering him during his upcoming long weekend.

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My thanks added! n/t
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 03:11 PM EDT
RAS

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Celebrate Here!!!
Authored by: PolR on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 03:16 PM EDT
We need to thank everyone who make groklaw what Groklaw is: PJ, Mark and the
court reporters.

Thanks also to the jurors, judge and attorneys who have averted a miscarriage of
justice.

This trial has been troubling. Biased (polite term for lying) expert testimony
should not be tolerated. Something must be done to ensure that objective facts
are correctly presented with meaningful penalties for misrepresentations.

This hard working jury still managed to get the correct conclusion. I don't take
for granted that this will always be the case. This kind of suspense is nerve
wracking.

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Celebrate I will, surely!!!
Authored by: jkrise on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 03:33 PM EDT
And a big thanks to PJ, MArk, the reporters at the court who gave us accurate
reports almost live. It was breathtaking coverage.

It's 1:00 am Thursday morning here in India.... and yet I can't get myself to
sleep now. I will keep myself amused reading that loser Florian's blog of sour
grapes.

Kudos to justice, the jurors, the judge and everyone else!!!

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Thanks everyone at Groklaw.
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 03:43 PM EDT
It has been amazing to follow this. Like a hollywood legal movie, but in real
life, real time.

Thanks to everyone. PJ, the court volunteers, and everyone who posted on the
comments.

I'll celebrate tonight.

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Celebrate Here?
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 03:49 PM EDT
I think its better to say "Congratulate Google Here".. The patent
infringement part of the case, although absurd, was really on Google. Ok it
impacts the open source Android, but it would have been easy enough to work
around the patents in any case.

We are still waiting on the Judge's decision on the copyrightability of the
structure, sequence, and organization. That is the decision that we really care
about and I look forward to celebrating some day soon.

Btw, congratulations Google! I was pulling for you.. Lets all celebrate! ;-)

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Thanks PJ, Mark and the Groklaw community
Authored by: belgianguy on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 04:03 PM EDT
It's a good verdict, but the coverage was even better! The
eye of detail of Groklaw is unmatched, as is the great care
that was put into categorizing the evidence, the witty daily
recaps and the insightful discussions that followed. To top
it off, I was delighted to see the community unearth
additional evidence and prior art. Congratulations, all!

In retrospect it nicely underlines how much Groklaw cares
about facts and integrity and FOSS as a whole. That's why
Groklaw is so invaluable to the FOSS community: because it's
a central hub to educate lawyers about tech, and techies
about law. It proved once again how much needed a line of
defense is against those who willingly and knowingly lie and
mislead to please their corporate sponsors.

Today is a good day.

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Florian swimming frantically uphill
Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 04:14 PM EDT
Well you'll have to go and read it.
Apparently this is "far from over" and Oracle has
"officially objected" and all this nonsense.

Of course there will be an appeal. And another. And another
ad nauseam. That's obvious because the egos at the top
demand evidence to show they didn't screw up.

But let's not confuse appealing for the sake of appearances
with appealing with any prospect of success. At least Mr.Van
Nest et al get to send their kids to Harvard off the back of
all this nonsense. So at least some good will come of it.

If asked, they should say they are there on Oracle
scholarships.

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Celebrate Here!!!
Authored by: rcsteiner on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 04:42 PM EDT
Thank you, PJ, for creating this site and for the many many years of hard work
you have put into it. I know I can't begin to imagine the effort involved; all
I can do is sit in awe at the fact that you're still able to do this.

Thank you also to Mark, and to the court reporters and everyone else who works
to make this site a shining star in the software (and I hope legal) community.

Of course, we may have other chapters in this particular tale, but at least this
one has been wrapped up.

To the folks on the jury: you folks were tossed into a very difficult situation,
and you were able to wade through the muck and mire and arrive at the other side
in a way that really amazes me. Thank you for being so patient and for taking
the time to try to understand the issues. I'm sure there are many software
developers like myself here who are very grateful for your efforts. :) Thank
you.

---
-Rich Steiner >>>---> Mableton, GA USA
The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.

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Celebrate Here!!!
Authored by: TiddlyPom on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 04:49 PM EDT
If either Android had been found to be infringing patents (and forced to pay
money for each copy) or (even worse) that the judge had decided (over this case)
that APIs were copyrightable then it would have hurt open source and the
software industry in general. This is undoubtedly the right decision. I will go
to sleep tonight very happy and contented.

Ultimately for Oracle this is also a good decision as Android will continue to
promote the use of Java (which is a good language). If Oracle had won it would
have been a pyhrric victory as it would have tainted Java forever.

---
Support Software Freedom - use GPL licenced software like Linux and LibreOffice
instead of proprietary software like Microsoft Windows/Office or Apple OS/X

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Indeed.
Authored by: Ed L. on Wednesday, May 23 2012 @ 07:14 PM EDT
Other judges with similar cases will realize what must be expected of them. Many will call Alsup; he will be assigned similar cases.
Of course. No good deed goes unpunished.

:-)

---
Real Programmers mangle their own memory.

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Thanks to PJ, the reporters, the jury
Authored by: symbolset on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 03:25 AM EDT
To the tweeters, the commenters, the fact diggers and fact checkers and
correctors. Thanks to the Comes transcribers and all of the other folks that
have made Groklaw a daily jaunt for me these many years. Once again, for a
little while we can pause and feel that for the day at least some light got in
where it seldom goes, and a little truth came out.

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Celebrate Here!!!
Authored by: Tyro on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 10:07 PM EDT
I'm not going to celebrate until I hear the judge say that APIs can't be
copyrighted. That's just too big a threat still hanging in the air for me to
feel like celebrating, even if Google gets off scot free.

Seriously, that one bothers me more than the patents ever did.

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