decoration decoration
Stories

GROKLAW
When you want to know more...
decoration
For layout only
Home
Archives
Site Map
Search
About Groklaw
Awards
Legal Research
Timelines
ApplevSamsung
ApplevSamsung p.2
ArchiveExplorer
Autozone
Bilski
Cases
Cast: Lawyers
Comes v. MS
Contracts/Documents
Courts
DRM
Gordon v MS
GPL
Grokdoc
HTML How To
IPI v RH
IV v. Google
Legal Docs
Lodsys
MS Litigations
MSvB&N
News Picks
Novell v. MS
Novell-MS Deal
ODF/OOXML
OOXML Appeals
OraclevGoogle
Patents
ProjectMonterey
Psystar
Quote Database
Red Hat v SCO
Salus Book
SCEA v Hotz
SCO Appeals
SCO Bankruptcy
SCO Financials
SCO Overview
SCO v IBM
SCO v Novell
SCO:Soup2Nuts
SCOsource
Sean Daly
Software Patents
Switch to Linux
Transcripts
Unix Books

Gear

Groklaw Gear

Click here to send an email to the editor of this weblog.


You won't find me on Facebook


Donate

Donate Paypal


No Legal Advice

The information on Groklaw is not intended to constitute legal advice. While Mark is a lawyer and he has asked other lawyers and law students to contribute articles, all of these articles are offered to help educate, not to provide specific legal advice. They are not your lawyers.

Here's Groklaw's comments policy.


What's New

STORIES
No new stories

COMMENTS last 48 hrs
No new comments


Sponsors

Hosting:
hosted by ibiblio

On servers donated to ibiblio by AMD.

Webmaster
Maybe not | 262 comments | Create New Account
Comments belong to whoever posts them. Please notify us of inappropriate comments.
Dude, you're still wrong!
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 22 2012 @ 09:55 PM EDT
THIS!

This is the crux of it. We have it drummed into our heads
repeatedly that the claims in a patent are ALL that matter.
The lawyers tell us that it doesn't matter one bit what goes
in the abstract or the background sections of a patent
submission, the claims are what decides infringement.

If the claim says "contains", then the symbolic reference
must be within the instruction. A numeric reference to a
symbolic reference is NOT the same thing.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Disagree: Index into string table that must then be searched still means contains symbol ref
Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, May 22 2012 @ 10:05 PM EDT
If the instruction contains a reference that must be resolved by string search
somewhere, then the instruction contains a symbolic reference. That the
symbolic reference has been compacted to an index into a string table to
optimize for a single instruction size and make other instructions faster makes
no difference, the reference is still symbolic.

The patent claims should be construed according to how the literal words would
be understood by practitioners skilled in the art, in light of the
specification, which by law must teach the invention being claimed. I'm not
sure how ambiguity (not breadth) should be handled.

Whether or not JAVA practices the patent is immaterial...I would argue that the
inventor was thinking of semi-interpreted systems where the actual value of a
class might not be known until run-time, such as Java reflection classes, which
are used to write debuggers and such. The simple example is a program which
says, in effect:
"Enter the name of a variable" (x)
"Variable (X) has the value of ZZZ"

I stomp bugs....daily....just as my horse stomps flies.

How would the .SO (Linux) or .DLL (Windows) loading process differ?



[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Maybe not
Authored by: bugstomper on Tuesday, May 22 2012 @ 10:33 PM EDT
If it were that simple there would be no such thing as claim construction. I'm
not arguing with you, just saying that the question of whether the claim has to
be construed so literally is a legal question, not a technical one, and IANAL so
I don't know the answer until I see someone with legal expertise chiming in.
Google's lawyers certainly argues that the the literal interpretation rules in
this case. Oracle argues otherwise. Given that those are two opposing lawyers
arguing it, that doesn't help me know what the law actually is. The judge could
have provided insight into this, but the construction of that claim did not get
decided to that level of detail.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Groklaw © Copyright 2003-2013 Pamela Jones.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners.
Comments are owned by the individual posters.

PJ's articles are licensed under a Creative Commons License. ( Details )