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Bug analysis: USA power structure
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 19 2012 @ 08:33 AM EDT

As someone external to the US, I've had a look at some of your political structures and I think I know where the bug is.

It's in the electoral college.

Consider; each state seperately votes between two or more parties. The winner of this election then gains ALL the votes from the state. This is how a party can lose the popular vote yet win overall.

Now consider the implications of this. If party A gets 51% of the votes in just enough states to get 51% of the electoral college vote, then party A is in, even if it gets no other votes. (I'm sure that, with care, one can find a voting pattern that results in party A getting in despite having less than 25% of the voters voting for them).

Therefore, if 51% of the people in a given state vote for party A, then party A wins the state - no other votes in that state matter, one way or another.

Now consider the behaviour of the voter. Consider n parties (A, B, C, D...), ordered in decreasing order of the expected number of votes. That is, the voter expects party A to win, party B to come second, party C to come third, and so on down the list.

At this point there are several options:

  • The voter supports party A. In this case, the voter will cast his ballot for party A.
  • The voter supports party B. In this case, the voter will cast his ballot for party B, in the hope of defeating party A.
  • The voter supports party C. Now it gets tricky. If the voter votes for party C, he expects that his vote will not count. Therefore, he has a choice; he can either vote for the least objectionable of (A or B), in the hope of shutting the other one out; he can go with a burst of optimism to vote for C; or he can give up on the whole mess and stay at home, expecting that his vote will not count in any case.

The result of this is great strength in parties A and B, with parties C, D, E etc. not even in the running; at the same time, you get vast numbers of voters staying at home. Note that this is independant of what parties A and B stand for.

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Now, consider parties A and B. Party A knows that party B is the only real competition they have; therefore, they must appear better than party B to those people whose vote counts (i.e. those in the 'swing states'). And vice-versa for party B.

Therefore, either parties A or B can campaign equally well be building up their own leader or bringing down the opposing candidate, leading to high levels of mudslinging in political discourse.

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Now, recall that there are only two parties. Unless both are diametrically opposed on every single issue, there will be issues that they agree on. (In general, they will maintain an artificial disagreement on one or more contentious issues, just to persuade people to go to the polls to keep the other group out; these few issues will form the majority of their rhetoric but the minority of their policies). On the issues in which both parties are in perfect agreement, the voter has no choice. If party A and party B agree that software patents are good, then software patents will be there; the voter has no choice.

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The fix to this bug is simple; remove the electoral college step from the political process. Have elections run on a nationwide popular vote instead.

A suitable temporary patch would be to have each electoral college apply their votes in proportion to the voters in the state; that is, if 50% of people vote for party A, then party A gets 50% of the electoral college votes. This wouldn't be quite as good as the fix - in effect, it adds a level of pixellation to the voting results - but it would be a lot better than nothing.

The expected effects of this change include, but are not limited to:

  • Better voter turnout
  • Lower barriers to entry for new parties
  • More parties to choose between, making it more likely that a voter will find a party that represents his viewpoint closely
  • More campaign attention being paid to states that are not swing states
  • Very likely a change in the political power structure

Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to apply this fix; I don't have access to the source code of the American government system, and I am not sure where to send it to someone who does.

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The people aren't foolish, the laws are.
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, May 19 2012 @ 08:36 AM EDT
I seem to recall that recently, a Silicon Valley person said they could spend
some money and lobby Congress, just like the MAFIAA, but it didn't seem like an
SV way of operating.

He suggested setting up a site or sites where ads are served for candidates not
beholden to Big Politics, properly geo-located to get the right candidates
before the voters in their districts.

cheers
Hugh

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The people aren't foolish, the laws are.
Authored by: PJ on Saturday, May 19 2012 @ 10:33 AM EDT
I'll give you an example. I was talking with a small
group of neighbors the other day, and one of them
was going on and on about how important it is to
make sure the President is not reelected. And I'm
thinking, This woman is on disability. If she votes
him out of office, it's virtually certain that her
disability payments will be reduced or ended, because
Republicans have said that is their goal, some of
them, when they talk about the Ryan budget. And
she really can't work any more and never will be
able to again.

So I'm puzzled. How does a person get to the point
that they are absolutely willing and eager to vote
against their own interests? She isn't racist, by
the way, so that is not the irrational factor. I
don't know the answer, and I'm not political so I
didn't say to her what I was thinking, but it's a
great puzzlement and worry when people are so
unplugged and yet hold the power of the vote. The
only thing I could come up with is that the media,
owned by folks who do have a lot of money, push
an agenda on people and if they watch enough of it,
they start to think as directed.

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