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The court won't rule on it.
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Thursday, May 17 2012 @ 10:00 PM EDT
He has to do something with it. But You're right he will reject it .

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The court will rule on something.
Authored by: PolR on Thursday, May 17 2012 @ 11:37 PM EDT
The judge has "no selling activity" before him because this is what
Google argues. And Oracle is likely to counter with "but there is revenue
anyway" so that is likely to show up before him too.

Will the judge say plain distribution unconditionally amounts to a sale? Or will
he raise or articulate some test to determine when distribution is infringing
and when it is not? The judge won't rule on "no commercial activity"
but the applicable test may sill suggest an answer to this question.

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Perfect argument for court to rule on
Authored by: csawtell on Friday, May 18 2012 @ 02:44 AM EDT

This is an argument that can be clearcut and not subject to easy appeal - read Googles briefing closely, there is interesting precedent. And if he can rule no patent infringement as a matter of law, then all the other tough and/or technical issues become moot (with respect to patents).

It is the handset makers that "make" the infringing products, not Google. With regard to copyright issues, Google would be the infringer; they took the IP and incorporated it into a new and infringing work (or so Oracle argues.) But with respect to patent violations, teaching someone how to use a technology, providing them with plans to do so etc. is not an act of patent infringement. When that third party starts manufacturing and selling the infringing product, Oracle must go after the manufacturers, not the copyright violator, to enforce their software patents! It is only working systems that embody, and therefore infringe, the software patents.

This could be argued as indirect infringement, enticing others to infringe the patents. But Oracle and Google have already stipulated to link direct and indirect infringement - Oracle thinking that if they win direct, they automatically win indirect. But Google may have trapped them on the issue - they gave up the right to claim indirect if there isn't direct infringement!

Of course, if they are found liable for patent damages, the handset manufacturers might have recourse to sue Google, but that might be tough since they paid nothing for Android, so Google's liability may be minimal...

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