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Presumption of innocence still applies | 225 comments | Create New Account
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Presumption of innocence/Reasonable doubt
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 10 2012 @ 11:22 AM EDT
It's hard to say there's a preponderance of evidence for
infringement if you don't know what infringement is. And I'm
fairly sure the presumption is still non-infringement - the
plaintiff has to prove guilt, not the other way around.

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"Preponderance of evidence is the rule"
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 10 2012 @ 02:05 PM EDT

... ok, how's this:

    Did Oracle prove the defendant's product practices Claim X?
    Hmm... Since I don't understand Claim X... I can't see how Oracle proved that so: No!
Seems like a "default in favor of defense" situation to me.

RAS

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Presumption of innocence still applies
Authored by: xtifr on Thursday, May 10 2012 @ 06:09 PM EDT
Presumption of innocence (and the associated concept of burden of proof) still
applies in a civil case. It's true that the standard for that burden shifts
from "beyond reasonable doubt" to "preponderance of the
evidence", but that doesn't remove the underlying presumption of
innocence.

If you can only present evidence whose meaning and relevance is completely
unclear, I don't think you have a case.

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Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, for it makes them soggy and hard to
light.

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