decoration decoration
Stories

GROKLAW
When you want to know more...
decoration
For layout only
Home
Archives
Site Map
Search
About Groklaw
Awards
Legal Research
Timelines
ApplevSamsung
ApplevSamsung p.2
ArchiveExplorer
Autozone
Bilski
Cases
Cast: Lawyers
Comes v. MS
Contracts/Documents
Courts
DRM
Gordon v MS
GPL
Grokdoc
HTML How To
IPI v RH
IV v. Google
Legal Docs
Lodsys
MS Litigations
MSvB&N
News Picks
Novell v. MS
Novell-MS Deal
ODF/OOXML
OOXML Appeals
OraclevGoogle
Patents
ProjectMonterey
Psystar
Quote Database
Red Hat v SCO
Salus Book
SCEA v Hotz
SCO Appeals
SCO Bankruptcy
SCO Financials
SCO Overview
SCO v IBM
SCO v Novell
SCO:Soup2Nuts
SCOsource
Sean Daly
Software Patents
Switch to Linux
Transcripts
Unix Books

Gear

Groklaw Gear

Click here to send an email to the editor of this weblog.


You won't find me on Facebook


Donate

Donate Paypal


No Legal Advice

The information on Groklaw is not intended to constitute legal advice. While Mark is a lawyer and he has asked other lawyers and law students to contribute articles, all of these articles are offered to help educate, not to provide specific legal advice. They are not your lawyers.

Here's Groklaw's comments policy.


What's New

STORIES
No new stories

COMMENTS last 48 hrs
No new comments


Sponsors

Hosting:
hosted by ibiblio

On servers donated to ibiblio by AMD.

Webmaster
Not sure I agree with your logic. | 141 comments | Create New Account
Comments belong to whoever posts them. Please notify us of inappropriate comments.
Think in the context of Novel V Microsoft
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 04 2012 @ 12:41 PM EDT

And the lone Juror who apparently couldn't agree on the damages amount thereby making the entire process a Hung Jury.

From the news reports after, apparently it was unanimous that MS acted in an anti-competitive fashion causing harm. It was only in the amount of damages that the lone Juror disagreed.

If the Judge goes with a "partial" verdict, I'm with P.J. that Google will likely file for an immediate appeal.

I understand the Judge not wanting to "waste" the entire trial that has occurred so far. But I also recognize that if he rules on matters of Law - depending on how he rules - the Jury may not have to even consider the situation so he'd be saving himself some headaches if he'd just look at the potential that API's - or their limited SSO context - even qualifies for Copyright protection.

RAS

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Incredibly Prejudicial
Authored by: rocky on Friday, May 04 2012 @ 12:48 PM EDT
"fairly likely that #1 would be guilty"

Think of how these two ideas look to a jury:
1. Google's actions were really based on knowing that APIs are not
copyrightable, so they freely matched them. The jury has been told to assume
that they are copyrightable, so they're already thinking Google is guilty of
something.

2. Remember the jury instruction about how if you have found a witness has been
willfully false in some aspects of testimony, you can validly discredit the rest
of their testimony?

With both of those in the jurors mind, how can they not have an assumption that
Google's "guilt" extends to other things?

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Not sure I agree with your logic.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 04 2012 @ 12:52 PM EDT
Not following your logic there.

You are making the assumption that the jury will find for oracle on some points,
its is possible they found for google on all except a few points, where they are
undecided.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

you're jumping the gun bigtime
Authored by: designerfx on Friday, May 04 2012 @ 12:54 PM EDT
we don't know *what* the partial ruling is yet, do we? please
correct me if I'm wrong here.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Incredibly Prejudicial
Authored by: jheisey on Friday, May 04 2012 @ 01:06 PM EDT
Google was also prejudiced right from the start by the judge not ruling whether
Java API's met the standards for copyright protection before the case went to
the jury. This should have been a question of law, not fact. Judicial
precedent and industry practice would indicate they can not be copyrighted. This
lawsuit judgment will have a very good chance of being appealed, especially if
the judge accepts a non-unanimous verdict in the copyright phase. We are seeing
the possibility of years and years of legal battles similar to SCO vs. IBM and
Novell.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Groklaw © Copyright 2003-2013 Pamela Jones.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners.
Comments are owned by the individual posters.

PJ's articles are licensed under a Creative Commons License. ( Details )