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It's about whose doing the copying, not where the code came from
Authored by: jbb on Monday, April 30 2012 @ 06:24 AM EDT
Google is accused of direct copying. The provenance of the code doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they copied from Oracle directly or copied from a third party who copied from Oracle, it is still Google doing the copying so it is direct. Copying from a third party would only make a difference if the third party had a valid license that would enable them to pass rights on to Google. Everyone agrees that Harmony did not have such a license from Sun/Oracle.

The indirect copying claims were about Google getting other people to infringe Oracle's copyright. Those are the claims that got dropped without prejudice. Assuming Oracle has a valid case (ha ha) and assuming Google did get the APIs from Harmony then Harmony could be sued for both direct copying and for indirect copying via Google. Likewise folks downstream from Google, such as manufacturers, who make copies of Android could be sued for direct copying even though they are getting the code from Google and not directly from Oracle. If Google didn't have deep pockets and if Oracle was intent on suing then they could have gone after the manufacturers directly.

I think "direct" and "indirect" don't refer to who you got the code from; the refer to who is doing the copying. If you are doing the copying then it is direct. If you get others to copy also then you are also liable for indirect copying.

IIRC there was a court document from Oracle in a recent article that dealt with the Sun --> Harmony --> Google thing. I think it was just a sentence near the end of the document.

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Indirect Infringement
Authored by: ftcsm on Monday, April 30 2012 @ 09:37 AM EDT
I think it's refering to Google directing developers to use
JDK to compile code (under normal Sun/Oracle free license)
and then convert the bytecode to Dalvik. According to their
(crazy) theory, it would be as Google misleads the users to
violate JDK license when the users create and compile code
with the free version of JDK just because they then use the
compiled bytecode to be converted to Dalvik.

If I understand correctly, the generated code has nothing to
do with the JDK license anymore, cause it's users' copyright
only. JDK license says you have the right to use the
compiler as long as you comply with the license which says
nothing about how you use your code or your compiled code,
obviously, cause it's YOUR code. You are not altering the
COMPILER code so nothing can be done by Oracle.

Flavio

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