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Maybe Google did lose on the big fat manual | 687 comments | Create New Account
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Take a look at Google's rule-50 motion
Authored by: jbb on Friday, April 27 2012 @ 04:51 PM EDT
This is the 4th time I'm posting this but it seems to be both important and overlooked.
1. The evidence cannot support a finding that Android’s English-language documentation was copied from the Java API specifications.

Oracle adduced evidence of precisely three examples of alleged substantial similarity between Google’s and Oracle’s specifications for the 37 APIs. A “mere scintilla” of evidence is insufficient to support a jury verdict. See Lakeside-Scott v. Multnomah County, 556 F. 3d 797, 802 (9th Cir. 2005) (quoting Willis v. Marion County Auditor’s Office, 118 F.3d 542, 545 (7th Cir. 1997)). Oracle’s three examples — out of over 11,000 pages of specifications (RT 617:2-7 (Reinhold))[6] — cannot support a jury verdict.

[...] The only evidence in the record relates to these classes; Oracle did not present evidence on any other classes. Oracle could have, but didn’t, present evidence of an automated comparison between the Android and Java documentation as a whole, as it did with the implementing source code. This absence is telling. It is also grounds to dismiss Oracle’s claim that Android’s documentation for anything but the CipherInputStream, Cipher, and Pipe classes infringe Oracle’s specifications for those same classes.



[6] The 11,000 page figure is the length of the specifications for just the 37 API packages. The specifications for all 166 API packages of the J2SE 5.0 platform presumably are several-fold longer, and the size of the J2SE 5.0 platform as a whole is larger still.
Google's entire motion can be found in the Groklaw article here. It is well worth reading.

When the judge said "big fat manual" I think he was referring to the 11,000 pages mentioned by Google. Oracle presented only 3 examples of non-verbatim copying out of those 11,000 pages. The judge is a smart guy. I can't imagine he would say Oracle is going to win on the "big fat manual" given the paucity of evidence they provided of any copying. IMO he had to mean that Google was going to win on this point.

Before I read Google's motion I thought the judge meant Google was going to lose on the big fat manual because I assumed "big fat" alluded to how much evidence Oracle had showing substantial similarities in the manuals.

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Maybe Google did lose on the big fat manual
Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 29 2012 @ 12:14 AM EDT

You should not confuse copyright with copyright registration. The copyright exists (for items which may be protected) when the author puts it into tangible media.

A faulty registration, which I believe happened, means that Oracle does not have any corroboration from the Copyright Office for authorship and date of publication and would have to prove these the hard way.

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