decoration decoration
Stories

GROKLAW
When you want to know more...
decoration
For layout only
Home
Archives
Site Map
Search
About Groklaw
Awards
Legal Research
Timelines
ApplevSamsung
ApplevSamsung p.2
ArchiveExplorer
Autozone
Bilski
Cases
Cast: Lawyers
Comes v. MS
Contracts/Documents
Courts
DRM
Gordon v MS
GPL
Grokdoc
HTML How To
IPI v RH
IV v. Google
Legal Docs
Lodsys
MS Litigations
MSvB&N
News Picks
Novell v. MS
Novell-MS Deal
ODF/OOXML
OOXML Appeals
OraclevGoogle
Patents
ProjectMonterey
Psystar
Quote Database
Red Hat v SCO
Salus Book
SCEA v Hotz
SCO Appeals
SCO Bankruptcy
SCO Financials
SCO Overview
SCO v IBM
SCO v Novell
SCO:Soup2Nuts
SCOsource
Sean Daly
Software Patents
Switch to Linux
Transcripts
Unix Books

Gear

Groklaw Gear

Click here to send an email to the editor of this weblog.


You won't find me on Facebook


Donate

Donate Paypal


No Legal Advice

The information on Groklaw is not intended to constitute legal advice. While Mark is a lawyer and he has asked other lawyers and law students to contribute articles, all of these articles are offered to help educate, not to provide specific legal advice. They are not your lawyers.

Here's Groklaw's comments policy.


What's New

STORIES
No new stories

COMMENTS last 48 hrs
No new comments


Sponsors

Hosting:
hosted by ibiblio

On servers donated to ibiblio by AMD.

Webmaster
I think the Judge was mocking the whole basis. | 687 comments | Create New Account
Comments belong to whoever posts them. Please notify us of inappropriate comments.
Making things clear...
Authored by: cbc on Friday, April 27 2012 @ 02:52 PM EDT
Hopefully, the opening statements made clear what would be shown. The closing
statement must tie things that were shown to desired finding of fact in a
memorable, understandable way. That is what good lawyers must do.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Day 10 Oracle v. Google Trial ~pj - Updated
Authored by: Ed L. on Friday, April 27 2012 @ 02:54 PM EDT
Well... you gotta give Judge Alsup an "A" for effort. Remains to be seen what he finally decides, and why. Of course, it also remains to be seen what the lawyers decide an API is, and why. Or what is copyrighted, and what is "work as a whole." And all this this after Oracle has rested their case, and Google's witness list is down to seeds and stems.

Yeah, the jury must be sitting there wondering, just shaking their collective head.

:rolleyes:

---
Real Programmers mangle their own memory.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

I think the Judge was mocking the whole basis.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, April 27 2012 @ 02:56 PM EDT
Just to make sure the jury doesn't take away the wrong
opinions. Or so I hope...

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Day 10 Oracle v. Google Trial ~pj - Updated
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, April 27 2012 @ 03:03 PM EDT
That's the thing about jury IP trials. I once served as an
expert witness in an intellectual property case about - of
all things - a book concerning Kabbalah. 6 jurors, and I was
told by the attorneys I was working with that a potential
juror would be disqualified if he or she knew any Hebrew or
was of Jewish background. Then I testified about extremely
arcane translations of Hebrew Kabbalistic terms. I wondered
how anyone in the jury - or the non-Jewish judge presiding -
could have any idea what we were talking about. It was
ridiculous. I only know a little C++ myself - so I can
vaguely follow what is transpiring in this case - but I
seriously wonder if all these mini-seminars in Java will
make one bit of difference. "Public" indeed! :)

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Tragedy and frustration of Edwin Armstrong.
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, April 27 2012 @ 05:44 PM EDT
Lee De Forest was granted the regeneration patent in what is
today widely regarded as a misunderstanding of the technical
facts by the Supreme Court justices. Edwin Armstrong, the
true inventor of FM radio technology, ultimately committed
suicide in despair. You can read about it here:
http://www.damninteresting.com/the-tragic-birth-of-fm-radio/

According to this document:
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind04/c7/c7s2.htm
only a fourth (26 percent) know that FM radios operate free
of static. So, it would seem general technical literacy has
not improved much since.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Day 10 Oracle v. Google Trial ~pj - Updated
Authored by: SLi on Friday, April 27 2012 @ 10:30 PM EDT

Actually I think it's starting to look like the judge does understand, despite this question. I think he would have realized that he's asking a stupid question if he had had time to think about it. It's just that nobody has explained the public/private/protected stuff here (which is probably a good thing, I don't think it's relevant).

I've taught university programming classes myself, and in my experience there's often a moment most (computer science) students have at some point where they more or less suddenly understand what programming is about. Before that, it's like being thrown into water without knowing how to swim; after that, they are able to acquire new knowledge and skills remarkably fast. Sometimes it's almost scarily visible and sudden so that you can literally see the student's face brighten with that Eureka expression. I'm talking about the only steep part of the learning curve I'm aware of.

I think I can read that same Eureka moment from the descriptions of what the judge said. Certainly approaching programming from the "what's an API?" direction is a very weird way to do it, but I'd think our bright judge (and PJ too!) actually might not be that far from being able to complete some basic and even slightly less basic Java programming exercises (with the help of some tutorial text). The one central thing I have not heard explained during this trial is variables, but in my experience that's rarely a very hard thing to understand for students.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Clarifying for the jury perhaps?
Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, April 28 2012 @ 07:01 PM EDT
I think the judge does have a pretty good grasp by now, and
this question may have been intended to make sure the jury is
not confused by the public keyword.

[ Reply to This | Parent | # ]

Groklaw © Copyright 2003-2013 Pamela Jones.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective owners.
Comments are owned by the individual posters.

PJ's articles are licensed under a Creative Commons License. ( Details )